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User Topic: Betrayed Men- Part 8
StillGoing
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Default  Posted: 9:38 AM, October 29th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

The dick is only retaining its magical properties because she continues to rub it with magical fairy dust.

There's no reason she can't have the same hot & heavy sex with you unless your penis is detachable and you lost it. Since this is 6 months out you should probably see a lawyer and think about the 180. She's still blaming you and carrying a torch for OM. That's not R.


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Default  Posted: 11:26 AM, October 29th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

First statement was that she does not think she's ready for it because she has so much anger and frustration with me for how I've handled things since discovery.

errr, what about how she was handling things prior to discovery? My examlples are lying and fucking OM.

As for the magic dick comment, that is just so much crap. Stbxw also talked about how OM "fit just right" to give her screaming O's. That she liked that and missed that. It wasn't the dick, it was their talk and build-up for days/weeks ahead of time, it was doing it in the afternoon as opposed to last thing late in bed before sleep, or not being drunk. It was how she felt with OM.

You are getting good advice to work on the 180 and contact a lawyer. There is no hope for MC ro IC so long as she is this dillusional.


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Default  Posted: 11:54 AM, October 29th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I'm pretty sure if I had sex with someone new after 18+ years of marriage, I'd feel like it was pretty magical, too.

New is inherently more interesting than the known. That's why we go on vacations to strange ("and interesting") places and come home exhausted rather than sitting around our living rooms for two weeks a year. And I don't know about you, but I usually have fantastic, slinky, hotel sex with my wife
while we're on vacation...why? Because we're in a new place, a new room, a new bed. It feels exotic and exciting, even though it's the same vagina I've been in for the last 18 years. (The same could mostly be said about my wife vis-a-vis my dick, of course, minus a couple of years of extra variety during the A.)

Grown-up people have this rational sense that what's new now will eventually become the common thing. You'll have to work harder to keep things spicy. The memories of the fairy dust days of instant connection and explosive desire begin to fade and the experiences become fewer and farther between.

If you eat steak every night, it becomes boring. You get acclimated to it. My wife and I bought half a cow to stuff into our freezer about six weeks ago. That's 500 lbs of beef. It's fantastic. Fresh, grain-fed, high quality beef -- seriously the most succulent meat I've cooked with in my entire life.

After a month, we were sick of it. Seriously. "Not beef again!" is what we started saying to each other. We went to the grocery store and stocked up on chicken and pork to break up the monotony -- largely because we'd run out of quick-and-easy ideas for preparing beef. We needed better recipe books, more time to prepare than work allowed, better planning to get the right cuts thawed and ready for evening prep on the right days. It's a pretty big bother sometimes, and easier to just go get some skinless chicken boobs from the store. And, let me tell you, after a fucking month of beef, you cannot imagine how satisfying a fucking chicken tit tastes. It is like the best thing you've ever eaten in your life.

I can beat this dead horse a bit longer if it's not sinking in, but I think you get my point. To wit, your wife is a fucking child. She's forty years old (or whatever) and still believes in magic dicks that can change her life. If you hit forty years old and find yourself saying to yourself, "I've never connected with anyone like this EVAR!!!" -- whether it's over conversation, philosophical understanding, political agreement, religious sensitivity or dick -- you're an idiot. Plain and simple. A fucking idiot.

If you're married, you've had that exact same experience at least once in your life. If you ever had a best friend, you've known rapport. Telling yourself it's the first time you've ever felt x is what 8th graders do. It's age and experience appropriate for 8th graders, in fact.

If you're 40 and saying it, you either have the emotional stability of an 8th grader...or chances are you're actually one of those boring, stupid, feckless, selfish, ugly, miserable people that no one ever wanted to be around, in which case, it might *be* true, but you've reached the age where it's too late to do anything about it, so you might as well just accept yourself for who you are.

Of course, this is also why I've historically said that it's a pretty good idea to ignore most of the shit that comes out of a WW's mouth for the first 6-18 months, because you're either dealing with a terminal idiot who thinks she has a lock on how the world and relationships work (and will have no problem lining up fellow idiots to stroke her pussy and tell her how right she is, how much progress she's making, how she's completely changed, what a wonderful, understanding, caring and compassionate twat she is, etc., etc.)...or you're dealing with an 8th grade mental/emotional midget.

You ever try to reason with an 8th grade girl? Especially one whose gone all stompy-footed about how she's being mistreated and put upon? How about the one who falls in love with a completely different boy from one week to the next because he's THE ONE!!!

There's a reason most adults roll their eyes at the wisdom of 8th grade girls. There's a reason you want to choke them to death sometimes.

They're idiots who think they have everything figured out because their feeeeeeelings tell them such-and-such is true.

The difference between a terminal idiot and an 8th grade girl is that 8th grade girls grow up into smart, responsible, capable young women.

You don't know which you've got on your hands right now, but until you figure it out, the best thing you can do is ignore her nuggests of wisdom and insight into your relationship, her feelings, and reality as she understands it.


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Default  Posted: 12:01 PM, October 29th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

That's why we go on vacations to strange ("and interesting") places and come home exhausted rather than sitting around our living rooms for two weeks a year.

Haha. Send your kids away for two weeks and take vacation from work at the same time, and that shit is new again too.

Sorry, great post. Carry on.


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Default  Posted: 12:12 PM, October 29th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

True. So true. Though in our case, we have to get the MIL out of the house, too.

Then again, without my MIL, I'd likely have to spend the full two weeks catching up on laundry. She is an absolute beast in the laundry room.


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Default  Posted: 12:34 PM, October 29th (Monday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

To wit, your wife is a fucking child. She's forty years old (or whatever) and still believes in magic dicks that can change her life. If you hit forty years old and find yourself saying to yourself, "I've never connected with anyone like this EVAR!!!" -- whether it's over conversation, philosophical understanding, political agreement, religious sensitivity or dick -- you're an idiot. Plain and simple. A fucking idiot.

AMEN! From your mouth to gods ears......


D-day: 5/18/10, lies and TT till (11/26/10)

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Well said WAL. It takes hard work to make dinner interesting every night after a long time together. It's a sign you need to both work harder to find new recipes. My WW took the shortcut and got a new chef that only had to make one meal every two weeks and didn't have to buy any of the ingredients and was given the recipe to boot. It's either get bitter or grab another beer. Think I'll crack a cold one and work on dinner.


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D-Day: 11/09/11
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Man...WW is NOT handling this DUI well. There's been lots of suicidal talk from her this last week (and since she's bipolar, it's pretty frightening). I called her parents about it yesterday, and we are all scheduled to meet with WW Monday night about her actions and behavior.

Just got an email from her today that said she has to leave work and that her Dad is picking her up...what a fucking mess it all is.


Me - BH, 41
Her - Bi-polar WW, 41

Status: Divorced and relieved


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Default  Posted: 3:08 PM, November 1st (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Oh, Hank, I feel for you, man!

The Magic Dick made her do it? Really?

Had my WW said something along those lines to me, I would have gone ballistic.

It is always magical when it isn't rooted in reality.

Of course, each one of us here knows that it is about the WW, not the dick she thinks is magical.


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Default  Posted: 6:18 PM, November 1st (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

If, as per wal's advice, we learn to ignore the shit coming outta their moufs for awhile, how bout we include a scene where we're having fun with what's going into moufs?

We need a cook character, obviously, since our army moves on our bellies...


It takes hard work to make dinner interesting every night after a long time together. It's a sign you need to both work harder to find new recipes.

Serving up...what?...
"I wouldn't touch it with YOUR dick" (with a side of almost old sausage)
I can get creative now.

We're all sitting down to our round, after a training session, and *the cook* slaps our plates down...you know the fucking bemused looks goin round....so...which one digs a fork in first?
(I'd vote for the overlooked one - the one everyone thought was a doormat and a pussy. The throwaway.)

AND.
It's de. lish. us!

Carry on.


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Default  Posted: 8:10 AM, November 2nd (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

The Magic Dick huh? The White Whale. Tsunami Cock. The Blessed Sausage.

The Magic Dick has been talked about on this thread before. If you go back to page 11, I posted a rant another member PM'd me who wanted to remain anonymous. Read it. You'll feel better.


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Default  Posted: 8:36 AM, November 2nd (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Being new to this thread, I was rolling laughing at whatever the inside jokes are. Ireally dont want to go back to earlier pages, this page on its own is fantastic.

Regarding the cook character, everythings better with bacon... well except magic dicks whatever those are. No one should ever have to eat magic dick, even if its bacon covered.


Me: BH 40 EX: WW 41 DS 10 and 12

DDay July 17, 2012
Divorced 11/8/2012

"When one door closes, another opens; but we often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door we do not see the one that opened"
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jjct nailed it again,
Everyone knows the truth about infidelity. Some chose not to accept it, look the other way and believe that things will again become, 'status quo'. Naught!
How many times I've stated here,'when they cross over that line', it changes everything, forever damnit!
Forgive them? For what? They made the decision, cheated, lied and when appropriate, (for them), you get hit with the shit storm. Like Ten Sandys combined, (and I hope all are surviving and dealing with the aftermath like me in NJ).
The shit is there man. You can shovel it up and toss it away in your cerebellum, but it will stink for a very long time.
When you deal with a Sociopath, they HAVE NO REMORSE! No guilt. That is how they function and you just become the punching bag.
MC, IC R, maybe for a minute few.
I'm really, really tired of us betrayed men, (not boys), being shitted on.
We have to take the initiative and start a movement back to reality for the family unit. Bring back all of the divorce laws that the lying, cheating, shit head legal lobbyists worked so hard on behalf of their legal brethren,(the divorce lawyers), to dismantle transform marriage into an archiac, outmoded institute.
So, if they cheat on you and give you a bullshit story, shit on you to boot and blame you for all their indiscretions,then it's time to pull the plug, tell them to their faces the truth, stand up for what's left of our dignity, honor. Then toss them out like the whores they have become.
Sorry to be so blunt, but we how are the honest, hard working, dedicated husbands, need to band together and put a stop to this disease spreading across our great nation.
MPBs,
God Bless the wholly and righteous among us.
I sense a second flood coming and this time no one will build an ark large enough to save any living creature.
Me - Divorced since June 2012
Haunted and Hounded by the ex daily.
My 2 boys, confused, in therapy, changed forever.

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We have to take the initiative and start a movement back to reality for the family unit. Bring back all of the divorce laws that the lying, cheating, shit head legal lobbyists worked so hard on behalf of their legal brethren,(the divorce lawyers), to dismantle transform marriage into an archiac, outmoded institute.

IMO the problem is that they ramped it from one extreme to the other. Before women were legally people and tied to the family unit for survival there were laws in place to protect them from getting shit on by their husbands. Not a lot but I guess the thought was there.

So when we decide women are people too, laws need to be adjusted. Just like when we decided if your skin is brown you're also human and laws needed changing. While being brown or pink really doesn't have much difference other than the aesthetic and some negligibly different chemical properties, vaginas and penises carry enough of a difference that you can't just say "Okay, same laws for everyone, hooray it's fair." I mean I'd be down with that but a lot of women don't want to join the army and would really rather grow up to shop for shoes and keep house. Whatever, works for them, no big deal.

So the idea of equality between sexes is more complicated than equality between people who look different. The laws just went too far and over the top in compensation for things that are difficult if even possible at all to apply universally.

I'm not sure if this goes into the religious topic or not - if it does then mods, I apologize and will take a second Sandy in penance - but IMO the way to fix it is to dismantle any and all legal recognition for religious marital institutions and lay out a legal code that operates like a legal contract with certain basic expectations that can be modified by the parties involved at the time of legal union. Like, not fucking other people, not beating each other, etc. Leave the religious observations and consequences to their respective institutions to observe as they will. That just frees up the government to go after individuals who violate legal contracts without getting tangled up in the morality issue.

Also, last couple days, route 130 has had lines miles long for gas. It's like everyone in Hamilton forgot there are gas stations a town over. Crazy fuckers getting into fights with cops over places in line.


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Bring back all of the divorce laws that the lying, cheating, shit head legal lobbyists worked so hard on behalf of their legal brethren,(the divorce lawyers), to dismantle transform marriage into an archiac, outmoded institute.

It was actually more of a feminist legal movement than a "divorce lawyer" movement. Sure some divorce lawyers were involved originally but not because "no fault divorce" could make them more money or something (it certainly doesn't contested divorces are much more expensive), rather they felt/sympathized that the old divorce laws were forcing people (their clients) to have to lie and collude in court in order to divorce and the judges too thought it a waste of their time. They wanted an easier CHEAPER way. The feminists wanted to free women from the chains of marriage and make it easier (and cheaper) for them to escape.

FROM WIKIPEDIA: Some lawyers and judges objected to the legal fictions used to satisfy the requirements for divorce and felt that they made oaths meaningless and threatened to hamper the integrity of the American justice system by making perjury into a commonplace occurrence. As early as the 1930s, a treatise on American family law included the following:

In divorce litigation it is well known that the parties often seek to evade the statutory limitations and thus there is great danger of perjury, collusion, and fraud . . . . In many cases no defense is interposed, and often when the case is contested the contest is not waged with vigor or good faith.[10]

In addition, advocates for no-fault divorce argued that the law should be changed to provide a straightforward procedure for ending a marriage, rather than forcing a couple who simply couldn't get along to choose between living together in "marital hell" or lying under oath in open court. The most prominent advocate of this position was feminist law professor Herma Hill Kay (who later became dean of UC Berkeley School of Law).[11]

At its convention in 1947, the National Association of Women Lawyers (NAWL) voted to draft and promote a bill that would embody the ideal of no-fault divorce and describes its efforts to promote the passage of no-fault divorce laws as "the greatest project NAWL has ever undertaken."[12]

Other states were slower to adopt no-fault divorce. For example, Pennsylvania did not introduce no-fault divorce until around 1980.


As an attorney myself I think it's folly to think we're ever going back to the old "Fault" system (there is ZERO political will to do so), however, I'd advocate strongly for "Fault" to be a [more important] factor in alimony, support and certainly custody issues. I believe North Carolina doesn't permit adulterers to get alimony and many states FACTOR in "behavior" including adultery when considering custody (however, I don't think the judges really care much about that factor since they can't/don't often take the time to have full evidentiary hearings to determine who's telling the truth and we all know waywards lie their butts off so the truth isn't always easy to assess.)

I also would support Alienation of Affection/Intentional Interference with Marital Relationship laws. Who doesn't love hearing about someone winning one of those lawsuits. More justice in that than making betrayed spouses PROVE their spouse cheated on them in order to divorce.


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I'm not sure if this goes into the religious topic or not - if it does then mods, I apologize and will take a second Sandy in penance - but IMO the way to fix it is to dismantle any and all legal recognition for religious marital institutions and lay out a legal code that operates like a legal contract with certain basic expectations that can be modified by the parties involved at the time of legal union. Like, not fucking other people, not beating each other, etc. Leave the religious observations and consequences to their respective institutions to observe as they will. That just frees up the government to go after individuals who violate legal contracts without getting tangled up in the morality issue.

Amen.



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StillGoing,
I'm in agreement with you. Let's not make it a religious issue, but let's make it a LEGAL ISSUE, including damages, intent to damage. Bring back; your ability to sue for dissolution of marriage, (maybe that would to some extent, deter wayward spouses from making these destructive decisions.
Not making the system archaic, (as one civil attorney put it to me), but allow the family court to impose damages and more importantly, decisions to honor, the honorable.Not reward the dishonorable!
Yes, adultery, is still on the books in some states. Actually, in NJ you can still sue for divorce on grounds of Adultery, but the Judges,'by law are', 'not allowed', to consider Adultery in their written or verbal decisions.
So, fault, no fault means nothing, but does make the decision to cheat much easier and severly limits the consequences.
Legal contracts for marriage, a great idea, but a marriage certificate, is a legal document. Just note worth the paper or, (nowadays, the data storage), it is contained within.
MPBs
Me- Back to court in Jan. 2013 with Motion to show cause, (her substantial increase in salary), and, if the judge tries to screw me again. I will bring him up on Ethics charges. That is legal approach to fairness.

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WW had a suicide attempt with pills last night.

Since she was so depressed, I had her family come over (mom, dad, brother) to so we could all talk to her at once and tell her we were worried about her.

My particular message was that no matter what happened between us, I needed her to be ok for the kids. I thought everything went well, but then after they left she started getting angry and argumentative , saying how embarrassed she was, how it was the worst night of her life, etc.

Then she started blame shifting again and was coming at me with the "You never loved me" stuff, and I let my patience run out and told her that I was planning on divorcing her next year and that's why I was refinancing the house (my appointment is today)

She starts in with the " Do you think I'm stupid? I knew that" - but I know that revelation shook her up. Then I was still angry and said , "Do you think I'M stupid?!" And proceeded to reel off everything I knew from the last few months but never brought up (there was an OM #5 just this week - more pics and videos)

She stomped upstairs ans said something about her sleeping pills. I followed her up and saw her dumping the bottle in her mouth. I had to put her on the ground and sweep them out. Then we went back downstairs and argued a little more, her mostly saying "I hate you!" And "Please let me die"

She got up to use the restroom, then came back and just stared saying, "Why didn't you tell me?" over and over and I noticed she was nodding off. Then she said something about pills again (I had hidden the sleeping pills and flushed many of them) and went back upstairs to see that she had downed almost a whole bottle of her abilify.

I went back down and asked, "What did you do?" and she confirmed that she had done it and had also choked down a few sleeping pills earlier. I called her Dad to come stay with the kids (thank GOd they slept through all this) and drove her to the hospital. In the meantime, on the way, she was just begging me to let her die. And, God help me, part of me started to wonder if that wouldn't be such a bad thing.

Anyway, they admitted her, and after a while I talked and told the story to the counselor on site who said she would probably recommend a few days in a facility. I finally came home at 3 to be with the kids and get some rest. Her Mom just called and is on the way to the hospital to see her.

Have no idea what the next steps are now, but everyt ime I think I've hit the bottom...

[This message edited by Cannon at 7:58 AM, November 6th (Tuesday)]


Me - BH, 41
Her - Bi-polar WW, 41

Status: Divorced and relieved


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Sounds like you've had your hands full over the last 24, Cannon, but you handled it correctly.

I don't have any words of advice for you. Your wife is hitting rock bottom.

Stay firm in your resolve to be the best dad for your kids and to protect both yourself and them from this woman. Maybe this will be the wake-up call she needs to start getting her shit sorted out.

In the meantime, on the way, she was just begging me to let her die. And, God help me, part of me started to wonder if that wouldn't be such a bad thing.

Don't beat yourself up about this. Your wife is a drain on everyone around her. On her current path, she will destroy the lives of your children by modeling selfish, unstable, idiot behaviors. If you have to choose between teaching them grief with dignity and honorable ways to bear up under life's unfairness vs. having them raised by a wolf who compounds the selfishness of using others for her own pleasure and purposes with the whole suicidal gesture thing...well, sometimes the hard lessons are the ones that are best for us in the long run. Clearly, no one wants to lose a parent and we wouldn't wish that on anyone...but sometimes losing the idiot parent who teaches them predatory coping skills and survival skills hinged on selfishness isn't such a bad thing.

That's a hard word, and I hope it doesn't come to that, honestly. There's no reason your wife can't salvage her life, but I'm glad you're laying plans to let her do that away from you. Right now, she's a toxic, worthless woman, and the climb to become something other than what she has made herself to be is steep. She's not going to be a three month self-improvement project (like anyone ever is...) to completely change herself.

I feel like this isn't comforting and I should be saying something soothing to you, because truthfully, you've been through yet another trauma in the last 24 hours. Someone close to you (even an idiot) attempting suicide is a trauma. It's an act of violence against the people around them, an attempt to hurt, shame and emotionally wound those who will be left behind.

You deserve so much more. Your children, too.

I'm glad you got her the help she needs. I hope she uses it for something other than being an idiot.

I hope even more that you can move on from her. I'm sorry for what you're going through, what she's subjecting you to, her abusive behavior, manipulation, stupidity, weakness, foolishness, broken parts, ugliness and horror.

She is unsafe for human companionship, and so, I'll keep you in my prayers. Maybe God will drop an asteroid on her head.


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Cannon))) though "appeal to authority" is often used in a logical fallacy arena, in real life - dealing with what you're dealing with - it is the way to go for you. Appeal to authority.

I hope, in time, you can let management of her go. You really need to you know, so you can start living your own life.

Let the counselors, doctors, lawyers, and judges "direct" her care now. Let authorities do it. Stay on top of it too - "appeal" to them (not her). It's over your head after all - what are you? a "cook"? wtf do you know about suicidal pill-swallowing besides throat sweeping?

Marshall your forces. Do it now. Hard. Appeal to authority. It is suddenly, and giftfully
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