Cheating Hurt by Infidelity
Betrayal Wayward Donations lying
Welcome

Forums

Guidelines

Find a Local Counselor

The Healing Library

Media

Contact Us
lies
cover
In Association with Amazon.com
Support
Infidelity -
-
like us on facebook
You are not logged in. Login here or register.
[Register]
Newest Member: spaceplease (45329)

I Can Relate Post Reply     Print Topic    
User Topic: Sexual Abuse Survivors/Spouses - Part II
OnceWasEnough
♀ Member
Member # 29991
Default  Posted: 12:35 AM, July 20th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

"Have any of the spouses of a SAB ever confronted the abuser? Have any of the SAB's?"

My FWS was abused by his father who is now 85 years old and as with many elderlys this age, he suffers memory loss.

It would be futile to initiate any type of confrontation at this point. Even if age was not a factor, my FWS would not confront due to his PTSD. I will also not confront, this is FWS's 'demon' and whatever method he decides to use in living with it, I will support him.

[This message edited by OnceWasEnough at 12:37 AM, July 20th (Friday)]


BW-51, WH-54, M-32yrs, 2 grown DD's, DD#1-OW#1 1988, DD#2,3,4,5,6,7,8-OW#2 9/10, 10/10, 12/11, 8/12, 10/12, 12/12, 2/13 Just too many to matter anymore.

Posts: 209 | Registered: Oct 2010 | From: Oregon
0115
♀ Member
Member # 31740
Default  Posted: 10:58 PM, July 20th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thanks Oncewasenough. I appreciate your response.

This is quite a slow thread! I went to my IC and she said don't confront the abuser on my fWH's behalf. First it's his issue and his choice and second she doesn't want me to be the one to "bell the cat". I've never heard that expression before but she explained that the mice were getting killed off so they came up with a plan to put a bell on the cat so they would know when it was near. The question is "who bell's the cat" (and basically dies or become the sacrificial lamb). The whole family is involved and all have rugswept it or denied so it would be very ugly for me. I just felt that SOMEONE should stand up for him.


BS (me) 49
FWH 49 newbeg2011
Married 29 years
Very Long LTA
DD 01/15/11-6/30/11
The hard work is done...let the healing begin.

Posts: 1011 | Registered: Apr 2011
momxgbg
♀ Member
Member # 35350
Default  Posted: 10:35 AM, July 27th (Friday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

0115

As a sexual abuse survivor, I would be highly pissed if my WH confronted my abusers.

Not because I don't want someone to stand up for me, I do, but I can only handle so much at a time...and I need to be prepared for the repurcussions.

I need him to be there for me when those repercussions hit.

I was, however, finally able to confront my mom about my stepdad. It sucked.


My story...is much easier to tell after years of therapy.

My mom and dad married while in high school and divorced shortly afterwards. My mom had my older brother at 15 (we have a different dad) and had me at 17 and was divorced before she turned 18. Both my parents were heavily into whatever they could snort, swallow, or inject into their bodies.

The first abuse I can rememebr is a babysitter's boyfriend. I was very very young. She babysat my brother and I for 4 years (my ages were 3 years old till 7) our 2 cousins were there also.

So for 4 years this man had all day access to a 1 year old (my cousin) two 3 year olds (me and my other cousin) and a 5 year old (my brother)

He abused us all, for years. He videotaped us, took photographs and every other ugly thing...for years.

He told us everyday that if we told our parents he would kill us, then our parents.


At the same time, my mom was usually drunk or high and hit us all the time (my brother and I have many broken bones). She would have boyfriends over, pass out, and sometimes the boyfriends weren't so nice either. I'm pretty sure we were used to buhy drugs, no concrete evidence...just a feeling.

During this time my dad was doing and dealing drugs and really couldn't be bothered with his children. He usually just locked us in a room for his weekends so he could still party.

My dad was arrested and spent almost 5 years in jail and my mom went to rehad and the most wonderful time of my childhood started, I got to live with my grandparents.

For years, I was with them and I absolutely loved every minute of it. They taught me everything I know and what type of person to be. I will forever be in their debt and will love them with all my heart.

Then my mom got out of rehab, met a married man, they married and pulled me away from my grandparents. For awhile it was fine, my stepdad didn't let my mom hit us and there was no more babysitter or sexual abuse.

Then I developed, got boobs, and all of that changed.
My stepdad no longer started looking at me as a daughter. He commented on my breasts and was always in the bathroom when I showered. This remained until I left home, when I graduated high school.

Our neighbor during this time also touched me inappropriately, i immediately stopped going over to play with his daughters, so that only happened once -- when I was 12.

I left home, joined the Navy and was physically assaulted in "A" school. I immediately told my class advisor and the other student was masted and discharged.

So as you can see, many years of assault, from many different people.

Fast forward to now (at age 37) and I was finally able to tell my mom, 3 years ago, that I didn't want my stepdad around my 3 children. My oldest daughter was starting to develop and everything came crashing in like a tidal wave.

All my mom said was "she understood"

that was it!

Since then, she calls on the kid's birthday and Christmas. That's it.

I don't talk to my stepdad, nor will I anymore.

Wow..that was cathartic! probably way more info than what y'all wanted.

Needless to say, this pain and hurt, from those who were supposed to protect me, is making this A really hard to handle.

But I am taking it day by day...as my IC tells me...
I have survived worse


Dday - Jan. 22, 2012
Dday #2 - Apr. 01, 2012 (found out he was still in contact with OW...WHILE we were in MC)
married 17 years
me - bs - 38yrs
him - ws - 36yrs - EA/PA
DD - 15
DS - forever 12 - earned his angel wings 24Nov2013
DD - 10

Posts: 285 | Registered: Apr 2012 | From: Virginia
stunned-dad
Member
Member # 3488
Default  Posted: 5:17 AM, July 29th (Sunday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Not surprised but still sadden to see this post...we all could come back in 100 years and something similar to this post would be up.

Some thoughts since that post both as a BS of a SAS and now going on 7 years as a marriage and family therapist.

Really love The Sexual Healing Journey, A Guide for Survivors of Sexual Abuse, Revised Edition, by Wendy Maltz used it first as a BS with then SAVictim and over the years including this week as a therapist working with an ongoing caseload that includes past abuse victims. The surveys in the first few chapters are eyeopeners for many SAVs who suddenly realize that are acting/reacting in a sane way to the insanity of abuse.

Two strong believer in Bill O'Hanlon's posssibility therapy which central to that is the concept "your past influences you but doesn't define you" which he strongly promotes when working with abuse victims.

It is critical that you focus on what happened to you not what is wrong with you. By that you didn't chose to be a victim so whatever issues that followed are a product of what happened to you.

You need not understand your past abuse to overcome it. It is not so much what happened back then as how it still makes you feel today. If someone invading your personal space triggers specific feelings learn why you have those feelings and how to cope with them in safe/non-destructive. Understanding how you react to touch both wanted and unwanted has nothing to do with going back over past abuse.

Finally the cruelest thing about past abuse is the false message it gives its victims....and how they continue to give themselves that same message long after their abuser is out of their life.


BS-Me 47 WS-Wife 40 Kids-D13 S10
DD 11/20/02 Affair lasted 2 1/2 years. OM sexual predator 12+ prior affairs. Wife had suppressed sexual abuse/rape issues she hid.

Life gives us us sorrow so we can have something to measure happiness with.


Posts: 6152 | Registered: Feb 2004
momxgbg
♀ Member
Member # 35350
Default  Posted: 7:54 AM, July 29th (Sunday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Stunned-Dad

Thank you for the book recommendation, I will certaintly be checking it out.

There is much work left to be done, boundries to be set, and triggers to overcome. But I can handle it, a day at a time.


Dday - Jan. 22, 2012
Dday #2 - Apr. 01, 2012 (found out he was still in contact with OW...WHILE we were in MC)
married 17 years
me - bs - 38yrs
him - ws - 36yrs - EA/PA
DD - 15
DS - forever 12 - earned his angel wings 24Nov2013
DD - 10

Posts: 285 | Registered: Apr 2012 | From: Virginia
0115
♀ Member
Member # 31740
Default  Posted: 12:22 AM, August 2nd (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

(((momxbgb)))

Thank-you for your story. It's absolutely heart wrenching!! I just can't understand cruel people.

I am the BS and my WH is the SAB survivor. I can understand why he has to do this on his own time. I appreciate you letting me have insight into the life of SAB's.

Gratefully
0115


BS (me) 49
FWH 49 newbeg2011
Married 29 years
Very Long LTA
DD 01/15/11-6/30/11
The hard work is done...let the healing begin.

Posts: 1011 | Registered: Apr 2011
caspers1wish
♀ Member
Member # 28720
Default  Posted: 12:35 PM, August 7th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

"Have any of the spouses of a SAB ever confronted the abuser? Have any of the SAB's?"

My husband never confronted my abuser and I would have been devastated if he had. Back when we were dating and the abuse was going on, I had begged my then boyfriend, to not tell anyone. Had he divulged my secret to someone, a friend or his parents, without my permission, would have been equally devastating. Now that the abuse is over and I've worked on it, I could care less who knows or who he tells and discusses with if he was so inclined, I'm no longer a captive of shame.

I have never really confronted my abuser. There was one instance when I was 14 or 15 and my mother made my dad and I sit in our driveway so we could get our "angries" out at each other, so I could have my chance to confront him about what he did to me as a child, she thought it would be a good exercise for us, it was surreal. Little did she know that the abuse never stopped and he was having sex with me since I was 13.

We sat there, sobbing. First time I ever saw my dad cry. He was broken, I know that now. Neither of us could grasp how broken I was at that point though. He didn't talk, just cried. I finally told him that it had to stop, it was wrong. He said he knew it was wrong and he was sorry, and it would never happen again. It was probably the last time I ever felt truly hopeful about the abuse ending. But it was very short-lived.

I confronted my mother 7-ish years ago, who I consider the enabler in all of this, the one who failed to do her duty and protect me. I just calmly told her the abuse never stopped. She wasn't sorry or angry on my behalf, she wanted off the phone and we'd never speak to each other again. Being the peacekeeper, I wanted to work things out, but she refused to take my calls. After several weeks I decided it was best and haven't resumed a relationship with her, despite her now twisting it around that now she is the victim and I'm punishing her, and yet she is living merrily with my abuser, yeah that's not supposed to bother me one bit.

If I wanted to punish her, they'd all be in jail. Right now, I'm just ready for them to die, but they probably have several more years left in them, they're in their 70's. And to clarify, I don't wish them dead. I'm just trying to prepare for the mental upheaval their deaths might cause. I love my parents. I don't wish them ill or death. I wish they could have been better parents is all and just leave me alone in peace forever.

Hugs to momxgbg. I hope you find healing.


Me - FWW (35)
Him - BH (34)
Kids - Ages 6, 8, 10
Married 13 years, together 18 years.
Last D-Day - November 2008

Posts: 772 | Registered: Jun 2010
NothngElseMattrs
♀ Member
Member # 35917
Default  Posted: 2:11 PM, August 7th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

My SAWH/BH wanted to confront my abuser, or tell my parents so they could. I told him the violation of trust would be so profound, I could not recover from it if he told anyone IRL besides therapists.

Because momxbg and others were brave enough to share...

my story.
I was 3/4yo at a summer camp with lots of other kids. I am allergic to some kind of grass and when running around outside, had an allergic reaction and had to come inside for cortisone cream. Of course the camp director, a slimy old guy, was in charge of administering first aid.

I clearly remember sitting on a high bench, dangling my legs. at this point, this filthy old man used me as a receptacle and forced me to do something that I cannot fathom someone making a child do, much less a child so small.

it is likely he did this to both boys and girls. Some kids, I grew up ad went to high school with. The camp closed down about 13 years later. gee, wonder why. maybe he finally got caught, the sick fuck.

I bet if anyone ever confronted this filthy loser, he would relive mentally his happy times putting himself in children's mouths. I firmly believe in karma. There is a special miserable fate awaiting this asshole if he hasn't met it already.


"Is all that we see or seem
But a dream within a dream?"

Posts: 496 | Registered: Jun 2012 | From: The wind before the storm
NaiveAgain
♀ Member
Member # 20849
Default  Posted: 4:01 PM, August 7th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

My uncle just got jailed for molesting his granddaughter. He is 84. He was apparently somewhat busy in our whole family. I have blocked most of it. I don't think there was more than just some touching/groping. My sister just admitted he "touched" her and she has wanted him dead all these years. She was crying. My cousin's child was threatening suicide. I saw my counselor today. He told me it is okay to be angry at my uncle. I have no anger at all. I don't even remember anything too terrible, except being uncomfortable around him and destroying part of my diary that I wrote in when I was around 13 or 14 about him.

I really don't think it was that bad but I just don't remember a lot. Except I do remember his icky nasty lips. My cousin's wife said he used to chase her around and try to "romantically" kiss her. I sort of have memories of that and his lips make me want to vomit.

I don't know what to expect here.


Original WS D-Day July 10, 2008. Kept lying, he is gone.
New WS (2 EA's, no PA) 12-3-13
If you don't like where you are, then change it. You are not a tree.

Posts: 15288 | Registered: Aug 2008 | From: Ohio
msk99
♂ Member
Member # 29293
Default  Posted: 4:33 PM, August 7th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Does anyone have any history/information/research on a linkage between being sexually molested and being a wayward later in life?

STBXWW has recently suggested her actions may be a result of being molested by her uncle when she was 7 years old.

Thanks...


BS (Me): 40 STBXWW (Her): 40
M: 15 Years, 2 Awesome Boys
Divorced

Five simple rules of happiness:
1. Free your heart from hatred.
2. Free your mind from worries.
3. Live simply.
4. Give more.
5. Expect less.


Posts: 712 | Registered: Aug 2010 | From: Alberta
caspers1wish
♀ Member
Member # 28720
Default  Posted: 6:44 PM, August 7th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

NaiveAgain,

Maybe you have repressed some memories, and if they happened when you very young, that is a natural thing to do. Even just touching and groping is very damaging and terrible, it all is. There is no worse or less, it all hurts and is all relevant. I hope your family is able to heal and your uncle is punished for his crimes.

msk99,

I am a WW and was sexually abused as a child. For me, there is a link between my abuse and infidelity. No boundaries, poor self esteem, reenactment of the abuse and shame cycle, reinforcement of negative thoughts about self, feeling worthless.

I found the Sexual Abuse Survivor's thread very helpful, the first part. The third post outlines it very well. Here is the link.

http://www.survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=158510&AP=1

[This message edited by caspers1wish at 6:45 PM, August 7th (Tuesday)]


Me - FWW (35)
Him - BH (34)
Kids - Ages 6, 8, 10
Married 13 years, together 18 years.
Last D-Day - November 2008

Posts: 772 | Registered: Jun 2010
NaiveAgain
♀ Member
Member # 20849
Default  Posted: 7:17 PM, August 7th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

caspers, thanks. I'm trying to come to terms with this. My counselor thought it was pretty significant that I felt the need to burn the pages of my diary that I had written stuff down in. And then I just pushed it all out of my mind, I didn't want any problems within our family, I felt I was strong enough to deal with it, I guess I didn't think it was life or death type stuff, but my counselor told me it was an invasion of my safety and my body and my trust no matter what happened.

I just don't know why I can't remember. My sister remembers some stuff and she was in tears about it, and she has wished him dead all these years. I had no idea. My cousins girl was threatening to commit suicide, they put her in counseling, that is how all this came out. They had no idea either. There are more.


Original WS D-Day July 10, 2008. Kept lying, he is gone.
New WS (2 EA's, no PA) 12-3-13
If you don't like where you are, then change it. You are not a tree.

Posts: 15288 | Registered: Aug 2008 | From: Ohio
caspers1wish
♀ Member
Member # 28720
Default  Posted: 8:27 PM, August 7th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

NaiveAgain,

I just don't know why I can't remember.

Forgetting the abuse is a very effective coping mechanism and it happens because your brain is trying to protect yourself, to protect the small child who endured abuse.

With all that is going on in your family, do not be a little surprised if some of it comes bubbling to the surface. You should allow yourself to feel whatever you need to, maybe it's anger or sadness, or the need to process all the information coming to light, or maybe you will continue to have no feelings about it. There is no set way for you to react and work through things. Keep us posted.

Hugs and support.


Me - FWW (35)
Him - BH (34)
Kids - Ages 6, 8, 10
Married 13 years, together 18 years.
Last D-Day - November 2008

Posts: 772 | Registered: Jun 2010
NothngElseMattrs
♀ Member
Member # 35917
Default  Posted: 8:43 PM, August 7th (Tuesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

msk99, I'll echo caspers1wish here.

My SAb was related to my A. I did not connect the dots til after D-Day, and I am still working through IC to put it all together. I was used like a filthy dishrag, then my life and my sister's life were threatened and I was thrown aside like garbage. Then, when I had my A, I put myself in a position where my value and self-respect was about equal to that filthy dishrag. Not ok or healthy.

That said, SAb does not excuse my A. Period. I have shit in my past and the healthy way to deal with it was through therapy, reading relevant literature, healthy activities, journaling, etc. NOT having an A.

I'm guessing you are seeking an understanding of your wife's issues. That is very valid and fair and acceptable. But do not let her use that to excuse her actions. There are plenty of SAb survivors who do not deal with their trauma by having an A. I'm sure there are some on this and the previous thread that can echo this.

Are you/your WW in IC with a therapist that has experience dealing with trauma survivors? That would probably help immensely.

Thank you to caspers1wish for the link, this is helpful to me as a newbie to this thread as well.


"Is all that we see or seem
But a dream within a dream?"

Posts: 496 | Registered: Jun 2012 | From: The wind before the storm
msk99
♂ Member
Member # 29293
Default  Posted: 9:26 AM, August 8th (Wednesday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Wow, thanks for the replies on this. To be honest, I'm not sure how to react to this. Based on what I read, I can see how those past heinous actions may have led to her to become wayward recently. I guess at a minimum, I will encourage her to IC to try and get better in her own mind as I know she is struggling. As for our relationship, I'm confused as hell as to how to move forward...

Thanks again, very enlightening information....


BS (Me): 40 STBXWW (Her): 40
M: 15 Years, 2 Awesome Boys
Divorced

Five simple rules of happiness:
1. Free your heart from hatred.
2. Free your mind from worries.
3. Live simply.
4. Give more.
5. Expect less.


Posts: 712 | Registered: Aug 2010 | From: Alberta
NaiveAgain
♀ Member
Member # 20849
Default  Posted: 6:20 AM, August 9th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

And all of a sudden I am starting to really truly understand how my ideas on relationships and sexuality were formed early on.

Here comes the anger......


Original WS D-Day July 10, 2008. Kept lying, he is gone.
New WS (2 EA's, no PA) 12-3-13
If you don't like where you are, then change it. You are not a tree.

Posts: 15288 | Registered: Aug 2008 | From: Ohio
0115
♀ Member
Member # 31740
Default  Posted: 6:24 PM, August 9th (Thursday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Nothingelsematters

Thank-you for your story and honesty. My fWH doesn't want me to confront and my IC says I shouldn't and I won't. I want to respect him. I agree with your whole post about how the abuse relates to the affair.

Msk99
So much about my fWH's FOO issues (SAB/incest) came out just after dday. After getting to a great IC, she explained how it all related. The pieces fell into place and I could understand it. It still didn't make it any less painful and just like nothingelsematters said he could have dealt with it without having an A. Now that he is completely out of the fog and he has dealt with his past he is just horrified, disgusted...so remorseful. The whole story is just so sad...everything about it. We are just now moving forward (18 months out). It's hard. It's also worth it.

Good Luck

0115


BS (me) 49
FWH 49 newbeg2011
Married 29 years
Very Long LTA
DD 01/15/11-6/30/11
The hard work is done...let the healing begin.

Posts: 1011 | Registered: Apr 2011
joeboo
♂ Member
Member # 31089
Default  Posted: 4:51 PM, August 12th (Sunday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

My fWW is a sexual abuse survivor. For obvious reasons she does not like to talk about it because it started at a very young age and lasted several years and involved many abusers. She has had many partners since then and is not even really sure why. She does understand that her view of sex was very distorted.

She does not want to go to IC and I can definitely respect that. My question is will IC help if she decides to open up to an IC? It makes me uneasy that fWW is willing to forgo any counseling because it is tough to talk about and there is no reason to bring up the past. She has made it this far without IC, I am sure she can make it further, but she has really compartmentalized quite a bit of her life with abusers and other men she chose to be with.

I am just not sure what to do, or how to help, or if there is anything I could do.


Posts: 1211 | Registered: Feb 2011
caspers1wish
♀ Member
Member # 28720
Default  Posted: 6:10 PM, August 12th (Sunday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

joeboo,

Her distorted view of sex and of herself is very much the result of her past sexual abuse.

Is she willing to discuss the abuse with you? Or if neither of you feel comfortable, as it would require a lot of support and patience on your part, a difficult task when you are the one who needs some support and patience as well at this time, what about a friend? sibling?

Or maybe attend IC with her as her support. I'm pretty resistant to counseling, but dealing with my past is very much a priority. I have an amazing support system of friends and family who I discuss the abuse with often, I have books and work books, an online support group apart from SI.

She may not be ready to talk about this with anyone, but she needs to stop running from it. She can journal out her feelings, do work on herself. Simply what's important is that she wants to work on it and face it and drag up the past. You cannot move forward and change distorted views without addressing where those views came from.

She is trying to suppress and ignore. Those things such as traumatic abuse, while forgotten, cannot be ignored. She will continue to act out and hurt you and your family without getting to the bottom of her past.

My husband wanted to help me too, but didn't know where to begin. What he found helpful was to educate himself on sexual abuse. He bought books, for me and for himself, but read them all anyway, so he could understand. And even though I was resistant to wanting to face my past, even if we had divorced, he needed to know what he had been dealing with and why for himself. His willingness to face it no matter if we were together or not, really helped me to gather the courage to make that step towards healing.

Hugs and support.



Me - FWW (35)
Him - BH (34)
Kids - Ages 6, 8, 10
Married 13 years, together 18 years.
Last D-Day - November 2008

Posts: 772 | Registered: Jun 2010
0115
♀ Member
Member # 31740
Default  Posted: 7:16 PM, August 12th (Sunday), 2012View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

joeboo,

This book was helpful for me

Allies in Healing: When the Person You Love Was Sexually Abused as a Child

By Laura Davis


BS (me) 49
FWH 49 newbeg2011
Married 29 years
Very Long LTA
DD 01/15/11-6/30/11
The hard work is done...let the healing begin.

Posts: 1011 | Registered: Apr 2011
Topic Posts: 260
Pages: 1 · 2 · 3 · 4 · 5 · 6 · 7 · 8 · 9 · 10 · 11 · 12 · 13

Return to Forum: I Can Relate Post Reply to this Topic
adultry
Go to :
madness  
© 2002 - 2014 SurvivingInfidelity.com. All Rights Reserved.