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User Topic: Long Term Affair - Part 27
ImNellNow
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Default  Posted: 9:52 AM, September 8th (Thursday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

WYE,
Trust... why would you trust him? Don't make yourself feel bad that you are afraid to touch a red-hot coil on a stove for fear that you will get burned. You've learned what he has taught you. To re-learn a new reality will take (a) a new reality where you are not punished for trusting by getting burned and (b) years and years of seeing the new results of trusting.

I still trust but verify. Without WH's knowledge. He's a slippery little sucker and I know a few things that he thinks he's hiding.


BS & D
Drinking wine and thinking bliss is on the other side of this.

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old dipstick
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Default  Posted: 9:55 AM, September 8th (Thursday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Nell.

Mush-brain! That describes me for the past few weeks (or more). I was wondering how to describe my self. You hit the nail on the head. You are so smart and don't forget, you are smokin hot!

miracle.

I'm glad you did not get kicked out of class the first day. I guess you did not ramble too much.

Laura.

I have been up to my ass in gators lately. Speaking of reptiles, I suppose you saw that giant croc that was captured lately. On of those could take care of your FD problem.

Newbies.

Welcome. You came to the right place. Plenty of help for you here.

Time is up so Hugs to the tribe.


Her WW 60
Me BH 60
M 36 yr
D-day#1 fall of 76 OM#1 2NS
D-day#2 summer of 89 OM#2 LTA 8 yrs OM#3 Short Term A


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UKgirl
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Default  Posted: 11:05 AM, September 8th (Thursday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

How am I supposed to ever believe him about anything again?
Right now honey, you don’t. And yes, you are waiting for the other shoe to drop. Not only the other shoe, but a whole wardrobe of shoes. That’s how it feels. This man has lied to you, lived a lie and allowed you to live a lie. The only way he can regain your trust is to be completely open. Absolutely. But, I’m afraid that complete trust will never be there again. Not quite. However well a broken vase is repaired, it will always be a repaired broken vase. But, that’s not to say that you can’t reach an acceptable level. It really is so important (and this cannot be emphasised enough – SO IMPORTANT) that he is honest with you from the moment of discovery. That OW is dropped immediately. That his sole focus of attention is you and your marriage.

As for me, I still say if he lies, he lies to himself cos I don’t believe him anyway. I’ve told him, I only need to suspect and we’re done. Actually I did suspect back in Feb time, but there was nothing I could pin down. Like Nell:

He's a slippery little sucker
That’s a polite way of putting it!!!


D-Day: 30 July 2006 LTA: 5yrs
Me, BS, 56 y/o Him, WS, 57 y/o
MOW, pathetic ex-fiancee.
3 grown boys and one 18 y/o
I don't consider myself married anymore.
There are some words once spoken split the world in two. Before you say them and after.

Posts: 3328 | Registered: Nov 2007 | From: UK
honesttoafault
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Default  Posted: 11:18 AM, September 8th (Thursday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Miracle: I'm glad the first day went ok. I know it's hard to escape the infidelity, you and the other BS in class can help support each other to keep going.

Strong: I'm glad you posted. Keep posting, anything that you want to keep private, just pm any of us, We are here for you.

Nell: Don't give up on MC. Hopefully your WH may get an "aha" moment and realize that rug sweeping doesn't work.

You know what's weird about these WS's who want to rug sweep and let everything go back to "normal"? With the old "normal" they weren't happy, they went out and looked for another. Is that what they want? Or is it they just want the BS to be acting the same as before, loving and in the dark and letting them do what ever and to trust them again?

There is NO going back. It cannot be undone. Ever. The marriage is broken and unless the WS joins the BS in creating a new marriage, it's doomed. My WH keeps saying, "Everything will be the same, nothing will change" Of course!! He can go back to doing his thing as he was doing without interference from me.

Hugs to the Newbies! How much should you be told? I think an overall timeline is best. With a LTA, I do believe that it all became so "routine" to them that they may not remember all the details, just like we don't remember a lot of day to day stuff, or just don't think about it unless someone reminds us. The WS does need to know that TT and gaslighting and blameshifting is what can kill R more than anything else.

Dip: good to see you, we've missed you.

TT is a killer. The stupidest thing, or maybe it's the straw that broke the camel's back is the discovery that WH was still seeing his "old" gf before me, during the time we were dating, and a few years into our marriage. He was lying to her too, and when she found out he married me, she left him. I guess I'm really an OW and didn't know it.

It's taking so long to wake up from this illusion that I believed so deeply, let it be the priority of my life, let rule my life and my life's choices. I'm looking at my life's mess and am overwhelmed as to where to start , like my house, but I had flooding from that hurricane and now am purging stuff that has to be thrown out and now am continuing to throw out other stuff I've stored and no longer need.

I have to do that with my life.

I wish I was younger and felt I had more time to restart.

Hugs to everyone.


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worst-year-ever
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Default  Posted: 11:20 AM, September 8th (Thursday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

He threw OW under the bus on dday. I kicked him out, told him to figure out what he wanted. I didn't tell him to get rid of her, he did that on his own.

Of course, he was emailed OW2 for a few weeks until he got caught with that one. blech. At least she lives far away.

He has done everything else right since then....he calls me from work the second he gets there, calls before he leaves, is home when he says he will be, is doing more around the house, etc. He's brought home flowers a few times, taken me on dates...all the things he stopped doing a long time ago (before her).

The pieces he has held back all have to do with things that happened such a long time ago that I just don't get why he is protecting them. I mean, really....the affair was over 3 years long, what is the difference in fudging the start date by 2 weeks???

I know that I need to accept that I will never know everything, and that I will never understand it either.

This is really f-ing hard.


Me: BW
Him: FWH
4 kids & 20 years together
DD: 7/7/11
OW1: 3yr+ LTA
OW2: My xBFF
Trying to R

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Allgoodnamesgone
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Default  Posted: 11:23 AM, September 8th (Thursday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

You know what's weird about these WS's who want to rug sweep and let everything go back to "normal"? With the old "normal" they weren't happy, they went out and looked for another. Is that what they want? Or is it they just want the BS to be acting the same as before, loving and in the dark and letting them do what ever and to trust them again?

In my case, ws wanted to go back to "normal" in that there is no talk of any A, no A-related consequences, so trust is restored, there's no investigations, no limitations on his activities, etc. no trying to fix the M (other than fixing the things he wants, like going out & doing things together more).

Would be nice. If I had a lobotomy it might actually be possible.


Me- BS
DDay- 8/26/09
Separated after failed R effort.

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worst-year-ever
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Default  Posted: 11:26 AM, September 8th (Thursday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Yep, that's what he wants. As if.

Maybe if I had one of the memory erasers.


Me: BW
Him: FWH
4 kids & 20 years together
DD: 7/7/11
OW1: 3yr+ LTA
OW2: My xBFF
Trying to R

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ImNellNow
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Default  Posted: 12:00 PM, September 8th (Thursday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Maybe if I had one of the memory erasers.

I need one, too. Then I wouldn't have realized all WH's fatal issues that are killing (have killed) any chance for this M, and they would just go back to being harmless little quirks that I put up with because i lurv him and he lurvs me and the world is made of marshmallows and dogs live forever lalalalalah... WH Kool-Aid.

honest,
I love your optimism. I'm afraid I don't share it, though. (And, really, it's OK!)

"With the old "normal" they weren't happy, they went out and looked for another."
Huh. Can't do quote boxes in editing mode. WH vehemently denies that he was not happy. He WAS happy. He just couldn't resist the "no strings attached" free twat and false adoration. But he stopped (eventually, after I forced him) so problem solved! YAY! Nothing to see here, folks... go on home.

[This message edited by ImNellNow at 12:09 PM, September 8th (Thursday)]


BS & D
Drinking wine and thinking bliss is on the other side of this.

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honesttoafault
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Default  Posted: 12:18 PM, September 8th (Thursday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Lol, Nell, you call that optimism?
Allgood, you are right, I know that the WS means that they have restored trust and no more asking questions etc. They can go on as before (maybe not with an A) It's like the addict that says "I'm finished with drugs/alcohol/gambling/etc" and then falls into the trap again. Unless the things that start the addiction are repaired in IC or AA, it will keep happening.

AHA! Maybe that's what these WS's need: WS Anonymous. With 12 steps and everything. But knowing them, they would have affairs with each other!


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UKgirl
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Default  Posted: 3:55 PM, September 8th (Thursday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

the affair was over 3 years long, what is the difference in fudging the start date by 2 weeks???
It’s just what they DO. Minimise, shrink down, make it less. Read my profile. They all do it. Truthful in some respects and just so ridiculously stupid about others. Damage limitation – or so they think. And I do think that they honestly believe they are telling the “truth” when it comes out of their mouths. It’s like instead of stealing $100, it was “only” $90. As if that’s not so bad in their twisted heads. Excuse me – theft is theft. Adultery is adultery. Childish, really. After two years, I stopped trying to get the “truth” and, using the timeline and all that I knew to be really true, made my own version of what went on. The trouble is, I now believe that because even if fWH was to try and put his own gloss on it, I simply wouldn’t believe him because he lied and minimised for all that time. First contact? Honest. First sex? He said it was months (9mths or so) when it was less than four weeks. Last contact? Honest. Last sex? He implied about two and a half years before d-day when it was four weeks. You get my drift. They ALL do it to one degree or another until they “get it”. It’s vital your fWH “gets it” now or sooner. Lecture over. (((((WYE)))))

Would be nice. If I had a lobotomy it might actually be possible.
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Or Butterfly Effect. If only. But actually what they want is what they had but without the complications of the AP – they have realised too late that what they had is actually what they wanted all along. It was enough, it just didn’t seem so at the time. Sad, really.

I’m sooo excited. DS26 and DS25 are coming home for a couple of weeks and they have flights reserved. I will tell them. They have their third year visas. I have never wanted to influence them in what they do with their lives and I would hate it if what fWH did was to make them feel they had to be around to “protect” me, or something. But I am extremely emotional at the thought of them being home after all this time, physically hugging and touching them. I don’t think I would be as charged if this infidelity catastrophe hadn’t happened. I would be happy in myself and so happy for them.


D-Day: 30 July 2006 LTA: 5yrs
Me, BS, 56 y/o Him, WS, 57 y/o
MOW, pathetic ex-fiancee.
3 grown boys and one 18 y/o
I don't consider myself married anymore.
There are some words once spoken split the world in two. Before you say them and after.

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njgal480
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Default  Posted: 5:19 PM, September 8th (Thursday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Nell-
You know that there was an article that I read where a very large percentage of male cheaters described their marriage as being happy. And the affair was only due to opportunity.

My husband never spoke badly about me or our marriage to any of his drinking buddies/co-workers or to the MOW. In fact...everyone said that he always spoke very highly of me!

Miracle- Glad to hear about your school success!

UK- So true about the trickle truth. That is the worst thing a WS can do. If the WS truly wants to R. Then they need to come clean about everything.... ASAP.
Just rip that band-aid off quickly... get it over with and then the healing can begin.
But...if they hold back and just let out the information in dribs and drabs then the BS has a series of d-days and continues getting traumatized.
And...about telling your kids.
My children know about the LTA. I told them right after d-day. Then again... I told everyone! LOL.
I think that telling them face to face in November is best. And, you may be surprised to find out that they knew that something was off..something was going on.
My children have been wonderful throughout this whole mess...and now are very supportive of our reconciling.

My DS lives on the west coast and I do not see him as often as I would like...so I know how much you must miss yours...
How wonderful that they will be home!

Honest- Sorry to hear that you had to deal with the flooding. But..you're right..think of it as an analogy to your life...out with the old...
and you are NOT too old to have a new beginning.
And you are never too old to live happily ever after.
You deserve that.

Deep- You sound good-strong.


Me- BS
Him- WH
Long term marriage
D-day- Jan. 2007
5 yr. LTA
Reconciled.


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m334455
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Default  Posted: 9:53 PM, September 8th (Thursday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Yeah, what's up with the "dogs live forever" thing?...

WYE -- I'd look at the Marriage Builders site. They talk about trust... why would you trust him? You don't. He's proven himself to be absolutely untrustworthy.


BW 38, 5 kids
Dday Dec. 2009

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iwantamiracle
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Default  Posted: 10:55 PM, September 8th (Thursday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

damn you guys were busy chattin...you added 2 pages since last nite....and i too got the mush brain...its not used to school..


anyways...

tryn i must have missed you talking about a friend committing suicide...that really sucks...i had an uncle and grandfather both commit suicide...my uncle was the one that was huge for me, he was 25 i was 21 and we were as close as family could get to one who is somewhat recluse....but his younger brother and i were super tight and i adored his older sisters, my 2 aunts were only like 7/8 years older so they were cool and not adults to me growing up....

anyways, his death was hard on all of us...my grandfather we all understood, he was terminal and when his bodily functions started to go he opted to beat the cancer to the punch so to speak...

anyways tryn i am sorry for that experience for you


mitz...enjoy visiting with your sister...fun is such a welcome distraction when it can be had...

ukgirl:when u tell these boys will they keep the secret from the rest of your kids...do you want them too...???


dp: glad the job is going well and more that you are enjoying it..

strong: even though you sound exhausted and busy as all hell, you sound well..."strong"...and you really are....how is your 17 year old dealing?


wye: thursdays...well i can understand why you would hate them...lets face it who really wants to dredge up so much pain...but heres the kicker....you really need to do that in order to move forward....and the more emotional usually means the more progress...of course even when you have a ws who makes little to no progress it hampers all the efforts made...and the next kicker is that thats ok...not that they dont make progress but that its being WORKED on....and at the very least end you know YOU did all you could and that knowledge will help you on YOUR journey....you cannot control his journey, or how fast he makes it...and you cannot control either that you will make it together...but the key is to keep moving...being stagnate means no healing is taking place...

of course though the info we at lta have to absorb is overwhelming and there are times you need to take a break from it....so that when you rejoin the journey you are fresher and have some r and r behind you....the journey is such a arduous one at best....


kkk...im tired and my brain has moved into a new mush land....and apparantly i have a memory eraser...problem...wrong memories are being erased...like what i learned today in school....but dang it all to hell i can remember way too much about why i am here...


nite (((tribe)))


i am taking my life back, one step at a time!!!!!

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ImNellNow
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Default  Posted: 6:28 AM, September 9th (Friday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I wanted to find out if WH had done any internal changing that I have just not noticed, so I asked specifically last night what changes he has made in the past 18 months. Well, it turns out I was right... he hasn't done much of anything... nothing, in fact, other than "be present in the marriage" (i.e. hang around the house and do stuff with the rest of us). He feels he has become more self-aware (as defined by being more in touch with his emotions), more self-confident and less dependent upon his twin, his BFF and other family members. Well... good for him, really. Those are all positive things. None of them bode well for this M, but they're all good (even necessary) things, if they're true changes and not just internal reactions to external stuff. He hasn't done any work to get that way, so I qustion whether it's transient or not.

I was underwhelmed. Again. But good to know that I'm not being a bitch and refusing to acknowledge his "hard work."

honest,
Love the purging what you don't need. There's a lot of stuff there, but when you've gotten rid of it, you will feel so much lighter! Yay for you!

njgal,
I don't think WH is being completely honest about how "happy" he was when opportunity dropped her panties. Which is not a big surprise... but I have no confidence that the next pathetic ho won't get another two years of my life in return for grabbing my WH's ass and "looking at him like she wanted him."

m3,
Marshmallow lollipop babytalk world.

miracle,
As stuff starts to sink in, you will be consumed with your new knowledge. I'm so excited for you!


BS & D
Drinking wine and thinking bliss is on the other side of this.

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Default  Posted: 6:40 AM, September 9th (Friday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Day 1 - 9/9/08 The letter…From a “Christian.”

The beginning of the new me started on that day.

I started to understand what it means to want to commit suicide. It was the first time in my life I knew what it meant to have your mind absolutely destroyed. I learned what it feels like to hate another human enough to want to kill them. I know how a man can feel anger and harm someone he loves. It was the start to understand those mental feelings that comes with depression.

and also....

My eyes opened to see God touching me through so many angles. It was the beginning of my understanding what true love means. This day was the start of me knowing what compassion toward others really means. It was my beginning to learn how to forgive and to get in touch with my own feelings. The beginning of new ways to communicate to people you care about.

I know today that I have the ability to be happy after overcoming great adversity.


Peace be with you all.


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Default  Posted: 6:43 AM, September 9th (Friday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Well had a great finish to the week. As I said earlier Ive been share trading just to make some extra money.To date mainly broken even or small losses.Today a trade came good.
When i got home from work tonite MIL said she was taking the kids & I to dinner - WW was not invited. Since monday nite & our talk WW has been internalising big time while i've rolled with the flow not using to much emotional energy at all.WW must have been sucking very sour lemons - the look on her face.
I havent felt so good for such a long time.Poor OM tonite if he says the wrong thing tonite he aint gettin any . She has been so pissed off all week & now this exclusion from family time ..ouch.I'm also hoping that WW told him about our talk on monday so that will increase the pressure on him as well.
So moving forward we plan more unexpected friday nites out with the kids ensuring WW misses out.
Its been a great week overall just have to work at keeping this up & showing that i'm moving forward & she is missing out.

Take care tribe & have a great w/e.


Me - BS 49
Her - WS 43
Married 16 yrs (together 17 yrs)
DD13 DS10 DS8 DS6
DDay 1 6.4.2010 dday 2 7.25.2010
Heading for divorce.
"Never look down on someone unless you are helping them up"

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Default  Posted: 6:49 AM, September 9th (Friday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

It was the first time in my life I knew what it meant to have your mind absolutely destroyed. I learned what it feels like to hate another human enough to want to kill them. I know how a man can feel anger and harm someone he loves. It was the start to understand those mental feelings that comes with depression

Tryin - this part I understand very much. I havent found the God part as Ive felt foresaken but I have in taking no 2 to church in preparation for confirmation I did ask for Gods help.Has my prayer been answered I dont know but I am moving forward with my life so that is a blesing.

Thank you friend for your gift of sharing with the tribe.


Me - BS 49
Her - WS 43
Married 16 yrs (together 17 yrs)
DD13 DS10 DS8 DS6
DDay 1 6.4.2010 dday 2 7.25.2010
Heading for divorce.
"Never look down on someone unless you are helping them up"

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Default  Posted: 7:15 AM, September 9th (Friday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

WYE - this is for you. Knew I had it somewhere....

Lying is theft. When you tell me something which I take to be true and as a result I invest my time, or my money, or even my care, you have stolen these things from me because you obtained them with false information.
Lying creates inequality. Since you also do not like being lied to--I have never known anyone who wanted to be deceived-- you have acted as if there were two classes of humans: you, with the right to lie, and everyone else, who must be truthful to you so that you too will not lose your way.
Lying treats people as means to the end you wish to accomplish and not as ends in themselves.


D-Day: 30 July 2006 LTA: 5yrs
Me, BS, 56 y/o Him, WS, 57 y/o
MOW, pathetic ex-fiancee.
3 grown boys and one 18 y/o
I don't consider myself married anymore.
There are some words once spoken split the world in two. Before you say them and after.

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UKgirl
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Default  Posted: 7:47 AM, September 9th (Friday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Tryn’, antiversaries do get easier. End of year two, that’s a marker in the sand. Step over the mark and keep going. Hope you get through the day without hurting too much. Some fishin’ and some grillin’ seems to work for you menz. Big hugs.

Njgal, yes, I think face to face is best. Acouple of days after they get here so they have time to absorb the info (but, they may know already….) and ask any questions. I guess the most important thing (apart from the telling them where stuff is) is that they shouldn’t be surprised if we should end up separating. Mr UKgirl really hasn’t done anything to fix himself or his issues and there is one quote that resonates through my head. I asked him what there was to stop him doing this again, whether with someone else or bitchface. He said “nothing is certain, as in absolute”. Kinda says it all. And still trying to say he will never lie to me again ( )nor will he hurt me again. Yeh, right. I just think it’s time they knew. I’m not saying anything to DS23. Frankly, he’s too self absorbed like his father. I think DS16 must have some idea (I’m on SI too often for him to have not noticed the site I’m on….), but I shall take counsel from DS26 & DS25 on their brothers.

wrong memories are being erased...like what i learned today in school....
You just gotta learn how to learn. It’ll come back. I’m sorting my stuff ready for day one next week. Got my books, bought files and pens and memory stick…… Take a couple of weeks to settle in – and just ENJOY IT!!

Nell – why is it when I read about how your fWH has done NOTHING, I think “yeh, just like Mr UKg” Sheesh, what is it with this head in the sand crap? Sometimes I just want to yell at him. FOO issues at work, I guess.

DP, sounds like a good plan. Take your WW out of any equation regarding what you and the kids want to do. If she wants OM that badly, she should piss off, IMHO. She should take a good hard look at herself and get out of that stupid place she has put herself in. She will be the biggest loser. Stay on the 180, it is your best course. Assume and plan your future without her.


D-Day: 30 July 2006 LTA: 5yrs
Me, BS, 56 y/o Him, WS, 57 y/o
MOW, pathetic ex-fiancee.
3 grown boys and one 18 y/o
I don't consider myself married anymore.
There are some words once spoken split the world in two. Before you say them and after.

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Laura28
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Default  Posted: 8:01 AM, September 9th (Friday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hi all
Only got a minute

Take your WW out of any equation regarding what you and the kids want to do. If she wants OM that badly, she should piss off, IMHO

Couldn't agree more. Spot on UK.

DP

Your WW has chosen fucktard OM over you and the kids. Until she gets her head out of her arse I would make a point of excluding her.

When i got home from work tonite MIL said she was taking the kids & I to dinner - WW was not invited.

What on earth did you do to get a lady like her as your MIL???? I haven't spoken to my MIL since before dday. I blame her for much of my FWH's FOO issues and she didn't even have the decency to phone and offer her condolences when my mum died (a little over a week before dday).

Sounds like you are on the right path. Hope you, MIL and kids had a great night.

HUGS

Laura


Married 30yrs Me BW 57Yrs Him FWH 59yrs
OWzero 1988 EA?/PA? Gaslighted.
Dday May 28 2010.
OW1 1994(6mths PA, EA til dday).
OW2 2002(8yrs PA).
OW3 2009(1Yr PA).
Others???? Status: Not Divorcing..but.."You can't unfuck the goat"

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