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User Topic: BS Questions for WS- Part 5
floridaredman
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Default  Posted: 1:49 PM, June 1st (Wednesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

suckstobeme,

That clearly depends on the individual. Some people can live with it until it is numb and some can't.

I believe that your STBXH is compartmentalizing and staying with his fantasy.
From what you post it appears he has problems confronting or confessing.
What I have come to learn is that the fantasy has a far better chance of fizzling than the reality. If he doesn't deal with it..he will either become numb to it or have a breakdown.
His relationship with the OW has about as much chance surviving as I do running through hell in gasoline soaked underwear.


The simplest thing can be the hardest thing to do....FRM

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Faithsurviver
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Default  Posted: 3:00 PM, June 1st (Wednesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thanks Floridaman...

I was reading Sucks question and that seems to be my situation, although, our D was final, I wonder at times if xws's finally get tired of their OW and fantasys and have remorse.
Knowing my xwh, he's stubborn and my gut feeling is that he would just as soon be miserable as to come back and apologize


BW (me) 51
XWH 53, but acts like a 15 y/o
M 18 yrs
DS 16, DD 14 (on D-day)
EA,PA with OW, 30 yrs his jr.
DDay 11/30/09 (DS's B-day), WH moved out 4 days later.
I filed for D-1/29/10,
DIVORCED 10/22/10
You can't reason with an NPD!!!

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SoLost&Confused
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Default  Posted: 3:20 PM, June 1st (Wednesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

How do/did you deal with your own hurt, pain, self-loathing so that you could R with your BS? Is it possible for a WS to hurt too much or be too broken by what they did to R?

I wonder/worry about this sometimes for my H. He is not in IC (which I think he needs and would help a lot with all he is going through), I think in part because he cannot face what he's done. In many ways he is being supportive of me and says he's committed to working on us. He's open to talking when I bring up the affair and is making progress about answering questions even when the answers are hard (though of course we both prefer the ones that turn out to be "easy" ones ). Yet there are times when he breaks down crying because he feels hopeless, he hates himself, he can't look at me because of the pain he knows he's caused me...

Sometimes it seems like I'm able to help him through it, and other times he can't accept the reassurance I'm offering (or that my reassurances are the wrong thing to be doing). He sometimes feels like he's broken me forever. I don't think so. I've never felt the kind of pain that his A and some of the aftermath have caused me, but I have faith that with time and work from both of us, that I can heal. What I worry about sometimes is that it will be too hard for him to forgive himself for what he's done, and that seeing me will only serve as a reminder of how much he betrayed me.

Did anyone else struggle with this? If so, how did you handle it?

Thanks!


Me: BW (33)
Him: WH (36)
2 young kids

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stilllovinghim
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Default  Posted: 11:27 PM, June 1st (Wednesday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Lost:
Oh I know exactly how your H feels, its remorse. Its good he's going through this, it will really help in R.

There's nothing wrong with taking a break from time to time to reenergize and calm your brain. You both need it and at this stage your not rugsweeping or putting anything aside.

I felt like I was completely unworthy of forgiveness and that I didn't deserve to have happiness. You become so aware of your spouses pain that its almost like you become hyperaware and the more you focus on the pain you've inflicted, the more you hate yourself. Couple that with the fact that he probably already had a pre-existing condition of depression, low self esteem, little self worth and FOO issues. So everything becomes magnified. As well as if he's like me, I used to hate showing certain emotions as I saw it as weakness as well as the fact that I would bottle everything up just basically made me an emotional wreck for a while.

Eventually everything evened out and Im still getting used to these emotions. It also helped that SI was extreamly supportive as well as my BH. Is your WS on SI? Learning and accepting these emotions was one of my big hurdles heading toward R. Im getting closer everyday to self forgiveness, but I know I'll be able to fully forgive myself once my H has. I don't know why I feel like that, maybe because I know that it'll be "ok" to forgive myself once he has.

I think this is what your H is going thru. He's being hit with new emotions as well as old ones along with the powerful remorse. He can get thru this phase as long as he has continued support from you and anyone else who may be aware of your sitch.


“You have a choice. Live or die.Every breath is a choice. Every minute is a choice. Every time you don't throw yourself down the stairs, that's a choice. Every time you don't crash your car, you re-enlist.”
― Chuck Palahniuk, Survivor

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BaxtersBFF
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Default  Posted: 6:47 AM, June 2nd (Thursday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

SoLost,

I agree with a lot of what stilllovinghim says.

I'm curious though, how was he before the A? As SLH says, there is a good possibility of a "pre-existing condition of depression, low self esteem, little self worth and FOO issues." which he now has to deal with since everything has been brought out into the open (d-day). I ask my question because of this - "So everything becomes magnified"

I think that what has happened to me is that, while I was sort of aware of all of those problems within myself (depression, low self esteem, little self worth and FOO issues), I had spent much of my life learning how to ignore those issues instead of recognizing them and dealing with them head-on. So, once all of my faults were revealed after d-day, it became very overwhelming to not only have to deal with the A, but deal with everything that was wrong within myself at the same time.

I still have days where I would just like to go back to how I was before the A. Despite the depression, FOO issues, low self-worth/self-esteem, I was a really great guy. Now though, I see that it was just a cover for all the pain I was holding inside. Despite all my coping mechanisms that got me through life and helped me appear to be this great guy who really had it all together, I hit a point where I reached my limit. I couldn't handle it anymore. That was the beginning of it all, and every choice I made from that moment, to the point when the A started, throughout the A, the aftermath of the A, and even while coming out of the fog was me trying to keep using my coping mechanisms that had ultimately failed me in the first place.

So, through my own experience, I think I get where your WH is at. He can work through it. But it is very likely that he is struggling with the idea that his whole life has been one big lie and he has lost his footing. He has no stable place to ground himself, except with you. But he knows that he hurt you deeply and can't figure out how he can accept that while asking for your help at the same time.

I think there are a lot of WS out there who struggle with this. I also think there are a lot of WS out there who can't deal with this. It is the ones who are honest with themselves that will make it through. They still have to be a bit selfish and do this for themselves, otherwise it won't last long term. Eventually they see and understand that in doing this for themselves, they are also doing it for their BS.

Nobody can truly take care of somebody else without first taking care of their own self.


WH - 44
BW - gerrygirl

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Default  Posted: 7:00 AM, June 2nd (Thursday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

suckstobeme,

Is this true? Obviously, no one can tell me for sure since all situations are different, but is it really true that they move on and don't look back with even a tinge of guilt?
The best example I can think of is my FIL. He left his family when BW (the oldest of 4) was 12. It was a double-betrayal and he was a deadbeat dad for many years. BW did not develop a relationship with him until I came into the picture about ten years later.

Over the years, my FIL has made comments to me that allude to his realization of his actions back then and how he nows what he did was wrong. I truly believe he is sorry for what he did and ultimately wishes he had never done that (this all happened about 30 years ago now...).

Where is he at now? Well, he is still M to that OW. If he had it to do all over again, he wouldn't.


WH - 44
BW - gerrygirl

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wwnomore
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Default  Posted: 8:31 AM, June 2nd (Thursday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

suckstobeme - my Dad would also say that he regrets his actions and the decisions he made so long ago. That if he had it to do over, he would have stayed with my Mother and us kids. One of my favorite things he says to me is this:

The grass is never greener on the other side, it is greener where it is watered

For what it's worth, my Mother has never gotten over his betrayal. She still fumes about it often, especially around holidays, birthdays, and family events that are forever split between them. Don't be her, full of anger and hurt. Don't wait for an apology or some sign of regret that may never come. Move on and live a happy life for yourself. That is the best revenge, no?


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Kamkim
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Default  Posted: 6:26 PM, June 2nd (Thursday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Question for the WS's

To sum up my H's A - 3 week sext affair with an out of town coworker. I caught it before they had a chance to meet up.

A few months after dday my H finally confessed that the camping trip he had planned with his buddy was really a chance for him to go meet OW.

He also tells me towards the end (right before I found out) he was realizing she was white trash and wanted to end it with her and considered confessing to me.

Now, why would he be planning a weekend with her, when supposedly around that same time he was realizing this was not what he wanted to be doing??

He says he thought he wanted to meet her at first, but that changed the more he got to know her via texts...but this trip was planned literally 3 days before I found out.

So is he feeding me the "I was going to end it because I realized I didn't like her after all" to make me feel better when really he wanted to meet her in person and had no intentions of telling me?

[This message edited by Kamkim at 6:28 PM, June 2nd (Thursday)]


Me 30
WH 31
1 DDs (11,7)
DDAY 1 7/7/2010 (texting out of town coworker for 3 weeks) Whoreface 1
DDAY 2 6/22/2012 (found out about a kiss with a coworker that happened 8 years ago) Whoreface 2

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colezmom1221
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Default  Posted: 6:33 PM, June 2nd (Thursday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

****Question for WS****

Do you have any suggestions about how a BS could approach talking about the A with a WS who is clearly wanting to rug-sweep?
The reason for my question is this:
My WH has been very reluctant to have talks. I'd read on SI once that a safe way to sort thru what happened might be to schedule talks.

He decided one day to initiate a talk and it was really good. The next talk wasn't until a month later and was initiated by me after a night of insomnia and him coming home from work (he works nights) exhausted. It went horribly-emotionally charged-and I apologized for reacting like I did but see that he's gun shy to start any more talks.

So, if anyone has any insight to help me correct my mistakes I've made during previous talks, I would be very grateful.

Thank you, in advance, for any responses.

-cm


me BS
D-Day 7/7/2010

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leftoolate
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Default  Posted: 2:57 AM, June 3rd (Friday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hi Kamkim,
Now, why would he be planning a weekend with her, when supposedly around that same time he was realizing this was not what he wanted to be doing??
To me, it's not quite a question of 'why?', but 'how?'. During the affair, my rational mind and my need for another 'hit' coexisted in a horribly uncomfortable manner. The why is in the unhealthy way the wayward spouse deals with life, whether it's a search for external validation, stupidity, callousness, or whatever. The affair is a means to an end, even if the moral side of myself didn't agree to the means (or the end, for that matter). The moral side wasn't strong enough, though.

Anyway, short answer is: the wish to break up can coexist with the wish to keep going. They have different whys.

~L.


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leftoolate
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Hi Colezmom1221,

Do you have any suggestions about how a BS could approach talking about the A with a WS who is clearly wanting to rug-sweep?
Hm, his avoiding difficult conversations is probably a big part of what got him into the business of lying in the first place, I'd guess...

I like the idea of scheduling a time, but I wouldn't like to have too much time to stew beforehand. So, perhaps give some thought to the timing (wrt distractions, tiredness, etc), and decide if and when to give him a heads up.

Let him know what you do not want (to co-create an emotional eruption) and what you do want (to share information and feelings, to heal).

If you think it'll help, you can let him know what kinds of topics the two of you need to talk about, or even write down some specific questions you have.

Let him know you can tell he's apprehensive, and that your need to know takes precedence.

Beyond that? Well, his fear could be really strong. He needs to either find some courage or feel backed into a corner... It sucks that you have to be the one who treads carefully, when he's the one that hurt(s) you. Good luck.

~L.


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colezmom1221
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Thanks LTL for the suggestions.

I have tried the writing out questions but ended up waiting a month and a half, only to get 3 pages of minimizing, blameshifting and only 3 of the questions touched upon. But since that was last September, I may try that again.

I also asked about getting a timeline but never received it. I may ask for that again also. I'm just worried too much time has passed and he may truly not remember details I'm seeking.

Given that it has been over a year now, does anyone think this could be a stumbling block for him? I do have to add that he can spout off memories from his childhood with great detail, but I still get "I don't remember."

It's just so hard to know what is the truth anymore.


me BS
D-Day 7/7/2010

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leftoolate
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Default  Posted: 4:00 AM, June 3rd (Friday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Oh, dear, that's not very encouraging. I'm sorry you're going through this.
I also asked about getting a timeline but never received it. I may ask for that again also. I'm just worried too much time has passed and he may truly not remember details I'm seeking.

Perhaps, this time, you need to focus on what you really want and need. Prioritize. What would it take for you to stay in this marriage? If that includes knowing details about the affairs - so be it. Take some time to figure this out, it looks like you have been waiting for a long time. If you can find your bottom line, you will be able to stand so much firmer in telling him what you need and want.

- this is what you need in general.
- this is what you need from him.
- this is the dead line you've set for him to fullfil those needs.
- this is what happens if the needs aren't met/aren't fully met/haven't changed.

If you want, you can help him along, help him figure things out. But you don't have to. It may be difficult for him to remember details, but if he starts out with even the general contours, he can work out the details for the most part.

I know you've heard all this before. It looks like you've lost your footing somewhere along the way. I think you need to get back to your own basics, and then you'll be able to work through this. You'll find peace. Good luck.

~L.


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SoLost&Confused
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Default  Posted: 5:04 AM, June 3rd (Friday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

SLHim & BaxtersBFF - first off, a sincere and heartfelt thank you to both of you for taking the time to read and respond. I found both of your perspectives to be very helpful, and I think what you shared may indeed be true for my H.

I would say that he does have struggles with low self-esteem, self-worth, and depression/anxiety, but most people would have no idea. He comes off as very confident, and is very smart, capable, talented, etc. Many people look to him for support and guidance and depend on him. Often he can manage it all, but sometimes it becomes too much. About a year before his affair began, it really became too much and he experienced a crisis. With time, counseling, and help from me, he came out of it. I would say that after that he is more aware of his emotions and feelings and the impact of outside forces on him.

He is not on SI; he doesn't know it exists. I have been debating with myself for awhile about whether or not to tell him about SI. I think in many ways it would be helpful for him, especially so that he wouldn't be so alone in trying to deal with everything. The only people who know about the A are him, me, the AP, and my IC. Therefore the only person he can process things externally with is me, and I suspect that there are things he wouldn't want to process with me. Another reason I think IC will help him, but it has to be his choice to go.

So, part of me really wants to tell him about SI. Yet part of me is afraid to. I've read stories of it being wonderful to share SI together, and stories about it hurting rather than helping. I also find SI is a good place to vent and help me think about everything some before i talk with him, and I worry about losing that aspect if he were on SI. I think it would probably be a good thing for us, but I also know that I can't "untell" him about it. So, for right now I haven't told him about it, but I suspect I will.

The good news (I think) is that we had a great conversation yesterday morning (before I had a chance to read any posts) that helped me see that he does usually have hope and will allow himself to heal as I and we heal. In brief, he was talking about how he wants a strong family and a strong relationship with me, and that he's feeling good about that right now. I agreed, and we both talked about feeling hopeful that our relationship will end up being better as a result of putting the work in. In some ways, it already is, but obviously in some ways it is worse than it was - but we both are feeling able to work at that to fix it.

Oh, and also, about taking breaks, I completely agree. It's nice to just live life together, as a couple and as a family. We need to see at least an approximation of what it could be if we are successful at R. If everything is hard or bad all the time - who wants that? It doesn't mean we're rug-sweeping (I don't think), because we do talk plenty. But it is nice to let the good times be good and make the most of them. I find that the more time we spend together, the better things seem to be.

I think I kind of rambled - sorry about that. Somewhat sleep-deprived due to baby and my own mind! But, I want to say again, thank you for taking the time to read and to help. It is invaluable to me (and other BSs I'm sure) to get the perspective of WSs.

One final thought - I think we (my H and I, but also all BS & WS pairs) have to turn to each other for support. It is part of being in a partnership. I understand that it may take time for either or both people to be able to ask for, give, and/or receive support from the other, but I think it is essential to successfully R. It can't (ultimately) be all about the WS supporting the BS - we all need support from each other. I feel like he is starting to be able, and want to, look to me for support too, and I feel hopeful about that.
Thanks again! ~SL&C


Me: BW (33)
Him: WH (36)
2 young kids

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archernine
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Default  Posted: 7:27 AM, June 3rd (Friday), 2011View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Lostall

Thanks for responding to my question. Your response got me thinking a lot about how I'm trying to constantly see my H's affairs in black and white and not seeing them with shades of gray. I can see how ambivalence plays a part in the 2nd affair definitely. He has talked openly about needing to be with her but feeling conflicted by staying with especially when she exhibited behavior that would normally turn him off.

But I can also see there is a fine line between using it as an excuse and an explanation.


An affair isn't like taking pottery ... they always end disastrously...and it's the one thing in my life I would undo if I could-- from the movie, Unfaithful.

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@Lefttoolate.-
It looks like you've lost your footing somewhere along the way. I think you need to get back to your own basics, and then you'll be able to work through this.

This is dead on!

Again, thank you so much for taking the time to respond to my second question! You have given me a lot to think about and a lot to work with.

I really appreciate all the WS's on here that take the time to answer our questions honestly. It really gives me faith that there is light at the end of the tunnel!

-cm


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Well, here's another question:

I was talking to a good friend of mine yesterday and she brought up a point that I never even really thought of. She said to me, "Do you think that he's telling her (OW) the truth? You were married to him and you didn't know some of this stuff, i.e, the $28,000 in credit card debt that he's got. What makes you think he tells her the truth about you, your marriage and his personal situation?"

Do WSs regularly lie to the OW too? It appears as though they are still keeping pretty quiet about their "relationship". I would outed them a long time ago, but I cannot have him lose his job. That would be like cutting off my nose to spite my face and worse yet, my kids' faces. But, as they live in their little secret fantasy world that is already starting to see some push/pull from what we can tell, is it likely that STBXH is telling her lie upon lie? Is it possible that he's just as sneaky with her as he was with me? My perception has always been that he must really love her or he wouldn't have left, but I guess that may not necessarily be the case from what everyone, particularly the FWSs tell me. This issue makes me curious.


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ExWH - "that one"
D - 2011
You get what you put in, and people get what they deserve.
Hard as it may be, try to never give the OP any of your power or head space.

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Do WSs regularly lie to the OW too?

Yes. And WW's lie to the OM too.
WS's lie to the OM/OW about their marriage to the BS. The whole affair is a lie.
So yes WS's lie to OM/OW


The simplest thing can be the hardest thing to do....FRM

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Im hoping someone can please offer any insight to me...please....

My WH came home a few days ago for what I guess I can consider false R. We told the kids "daddy is home" and we spent both days together. I could feel it in my gut though that he wasn't 100% "there" know what I mean? Anyways he went Golfing for
a work function (verified) got drinking
and then later on in the evening sent me an email (which he never emailsme always texts) saying "sorry
going to the bar and won't be in until
late) then he sent me a text and said
"we are done". I just said "ok". The
next morning he text me about some
business we had to deal with then
he says "I'm sorry I let you down".

Later on we talk he tells me he has
been unhappy for years and feels he
keeps doing this because he wants
me to be the one to end it and tell
him to "go to hell" it would make it
easier for him. So I told him to "go
to hell". He promised me he won't
contact me anymore.

My question is, as a WS did you ever
feel that your life would be easier
and you would enjoy "freedom" more
if the "break up" came from your bs?
I'm trying to figure out if he's
deluding himself, or if it really is
easier for him now that I've told him
basically he's free. I feel like he's torn between the "single life" and his family life. I'd like to think that eventually we would win out, but everything seems so great for him now that I cant see why he would ever return to the "day in and day out" responsibilities of running a household and family. Is this "fog"
Or is this really what he wants?

Please help!

Thank you

[This message edited by Broken1Again at 5:20 AM, June 4th (Saturday)]


BS: 40
WS: 42
Two boys 13/11
Married 15 years
Dday: too Many to remember. 3 significant OW and many "less"'significant OW. Believe WS has bad boundaries and craves the attention.
In R.

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broken,

as a WS did you ever feel that your life would be easier and you would enjoy "freedom" more if the "break up" came from your bs?
No. It isn't quite this. Freedom doesn't really have anything to do with it. It's fear. Fear of finally admitting what he has done, the type of person he has become. If he gives you a reason to say it is over, then he can move on saying that he was such a bad person that you couldn't handle it anymore. Two things...he is unfixable and you are being the responsible one. Makes you look good and lets him continue to hide from himself.
I'm trying to figure out if he's deluding himself, or if it really is easier for him now that I've told him basically he's free.
It's easier because he didn't have to make that final decision. You did it for him in such a way that he didn't have to hurt you anymore. He did the bad things and was unable to do the right things that might have allowed you to have taken him back.
I feel like he's torn between the "single life" and his family life.
I don't think the single life has anything to do with it.
I'd like to think that eventually we would win out, but everything seems so great for him now that I cant see why he would ever return to the "day in and day out" responsibilities of running a household and family.
don't by into this. He is the one making the decisions, running from his fears. Don't take responsibility for his actions.
Is this "fog" Or is this really what he wants?
I doubt that deep down he really wants this. He's just scared to look at himself and doing everything possible to get out without dealing with it. Well...he is not going to be the one to actually file.


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BW - gerrygirl

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