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IslandWahine
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Default  Posted: 4:33 PM, September 22nd (Wednesday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

(((Repeat))). I don't even know what to say. I do agree with BMC. I know I wanted to write OW a letter as well (I actually wanted to go to confront her), then I realized I don't dare give her the satisfaction of knowing she's in my head.

If my fwh gave me something and I passed it to my son it would've been ON. I mean, I would've never forgiven him OR myself (although I didn't find out until a month after the fact).

We have been arguing so much lately. I know it's hormones--plus the fact that it was this time last year that he was messing around with that tramp. He's been depressed and hasn't been helping me clean and I'm just about to lose my marbles. And then had the nerve to get mad at ME! I told him after everything I have put up with and been thru, he should be worshipping the ground I walk upon and thank his lucky stars that I didn't run off with our son. I got mad that we aren't in MC (he works overnites and I work days--it's hard to find someone to fit what little schedule we have together plus we would have to have our son go somewhere while we are there). I got mad that he's not acknowledging this new baby coming. I even accused him of not telling me everything and that I should call her to get the "whole" story (he has been very upfront about everything but I never confronted her). I'm mad over money, I'm mad over waiting, I'm mad over freaking everything! I understand what you were saying about somedays you wake up and you are just like AUGGG! I can only imagine that the rollercoaster of emotions gets worse over time.


Me: BS, 2 COM, M-14 years
FWH-finally hit rock bottom
11/09 D-day. R'ing
cOW: EVIL
OC: NC for our safety.
People say you donít know what youíve got until itís gone. Truth is, you knew what you had, you just thought youíd never lose it.-B.Scott

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Whalers11
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Default  Posted: 7:27 PM, September 22nd (Wednesday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

repeat - You have been through SO much. I know, without a doubt, I could never remain with a man who INTENTIONALLY created an OC. He received such a gift from you.


Me: BGF - 33
Together 11+ years - not married, no children.
D-Day: 2/9/2010
OC Born: 10/9/2010
Status: He chose OW/OC and left immediately.

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repeatBS326
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Default  Posted: 8:10 AM, September 23rd (Thursday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thanks guys. Nobody else gets it, that I just can't "get over it." It's not 'just' the affairs with OW...it's the OC issue. The $$$ was a big issue for me, until the papers were in-place & fWH didn't owe OW anything.

In looking back, if OW would've been pregnant while I was pregnant...I'm not sure if my pregnancy could've survived the emotions I had before OC was born. I teased fWH the other day, that all my old classmates are starting families in their late 30s....maybe we needed to jump through hoops & have another COM. I know I was just joking, but some part of me wishes that COM were his last children....that OC didn't have that honor. I'm not so sure DS10 would've ever been conceived, if OW had gotten pregnant during their 1st A, when they were trying to conceive then. In my mind, there will never be a non-insane reason why OC was created.

I sometimes wonder if my husband has a split personality.

Whalers,
If I'd have truly believed what OW had said about them "trying for a while" when she told me in 2000, or fWH would've told me the whole truth about A#1/A#2 and trying to have OC, I don't know what the outcome would've been. Even after D-day#3, it was a few months I think before fWH told me the truth about OC's conception. It is just very hard to watch a man on D-day#3, who never cries (only seen him cry 2 times prior), to see him bawling for you, begging for you to stay, swearing he'd do whatever it took to prove his love. I honestly had had enough of all the bullsh*t, OW, and OC....I was truly ready to give up on our M. And, he does a lot of the housework now (so no arguments about that anymore), but sometimes I feel like we're back to the point we were at when A#3 occurred. It scares me. He takes me for granted. We do need MC and have for a long time, but the expense & actually getting fWH to go and MC not ruin any progress @R#3, I'm just scared.

We're going to that reunion tomorrow through Saturday night, traveling back Sunday. Wish us luck. It won't be like a honeymoon or anything with COM sharing a room w/us, but maybe if fWH sees me all dressed up in my little-black-dress, heels, & stockings...maybe he'll forget about anyone else. Hoping I look younger than all the other 38/39-yr-olds. My best friend said that I look like a young 20ish woman from before COM's births...now that I've lost weight, but she's my best friend & entitled to lie about stuff like that to boost my ego. I almost have in the back of my head that OC will need something & we'll have to return early....or that last-minute, OW will need surgery or get sick and we have to take OC w/us. I know it's mean to say, but it will be nice to have a weekend away & not have to deal w/OC & DS10's fighting (or OC's attitude). I'm worried about DS10 though....I have this horrible fear that he'll try & run away or something stupid due to his recent behavior/talk.


Me/BS:39(former cybersex addict 1992); fWH:41; DS:15; DS:11; OW:34; OC:10
Together: 22yrs; Married: 18yrs
D-day#1: Jan99, then FALSE R (subsequent conception of DS#2)
D-day#2: Told about OW/WH pregnancy July2000
D-day#3 (same mOW): 19sep2008

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Whalers11
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Default  Posted: 12:07 PM, September 24th (Friday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Found out what OC's name is going to be - it's stupid. It sounds like it's a stripper or porn star name. I know WxBF didn't have a say because it's not something he would have chosen EVER. I can only imagine what he is thinking.


Me: BGF - 33
Together 11+ years - not married, no children.
D-Day: 2/9/2010
OC Born: 10/9/2010
Status: He chose OW/OC and left immediately.

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want2bok
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Default  Posted: 1:46 PM, September 24th (Friday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Similar thing happened here Whalers. H gave OW a suggestion for a name he liked and she didn't like it so she just picked a name. H does not like it and never has. She also used the feminine version of H's middle name for OC's middle name which we had already done with our oldest. He was NOT happy about that. She didn't care - she had already decided so he had no say. That was the beginning of her "calling the shots" as far as OC goes.

She wanted to her OC's ears pierced as a newborn, but H didn't. She called and asked what he thought, he told her, and she said that she could do what she wanted because he wasn't there to stop her. And she wonders why he isn't in her life.


BS - me 32
WS - him 32
3 beautiful girls - 11, 9, 7 and angel baby 7/9/10
D-Day 1/07 - 1+ yr PA
OW 35
OC born 12/06
R since 2/07 and going well

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altered
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Default  Posted: 4:58 PM, September 24th (Friday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

(((cotton00)))

Sorry everyone has to be here. Everyone is very supportive here and understands.

It's hard for me to get past A and OC also sometimes. OW gets on my nerves, seeing her, hearing her, just her driving by makes my nerves ratchet up. As you can tell from my profile, OW lives about 100 yrds from us.
I have forgiven H, but there are times I just think why? Especially when we have to explain how H has a child YOUNGER than COM by someone else. It's crazy! H got an additional life insurance policy for OC because I'll be damned if I am writing CS checks from H estate until OC ages out. We have to go to attny to set up a trust for OC also, that was OW cannot get her greedy hands on insurance money.

Repeat, nothing you can say to OW can change her delusional preconceptions of you. OW in my case acts like I'm the b*tch from hell, somehow she's the victim etc, etc, whine whine. Don't let her see you sweat.

I know it's hard not to focus on the past especially when there's a flesh and blood reminder walking around your house. You have to look at right now. Your FWH is with you NOW. He is committed to you and your family NOW. You cannot control what he and OW think, feel and do. If he decides tomorrow to take up with OW again, he F#cked up, because she will never be the strong, understanding, committed person you are. She is a skank who did orgies (kinda like my OW who did 3 ways)
Hearing that I Love you was exchanged hurts, that was one of the most painful parts for me. That love was not real. I kept thinking my H weighed me and COM beside A with OW and just thought A was worth more. I know now that H did not even consider what he could've lost in that moment.

Your FWH may have planned P, may have built all kinds of bulls#t castles in the sky with OW, but it wasn't real and it wouldn't have lasted.

My H said to his friends that if R did not work, that he would be with OW. He even told her 2 days after D Day that he only R with me for COM
's sake. That hurt. He realizes now that OW and him would not have lasted, he has no respect for her as a mother or person. She drinks, dips,uses people, and treats her children like a huge burden. OW can think whatever she wants about me, our M, the A. I can't change that, I am living my life for me, not to prove anything to anyone.


Married since 5/99
BS-36
WH-39
1 COM
D-Day 6/27/09
In R OC born 12/15
D-Day #2 8/19/13

I want to be the kind of woman I want my daughter to be-Jewel

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Want2help
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Default  Posted: 8:27 PM, September 24th (Friday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

What is it with the stripper names for OCs? It's like they know they aren't going to have a snowball's chance in hell of growing up well adjusted, so they give them a name that sounds trashy to go along with it.

Our OC name is so bad, my stepD's friends were even leaving comments on my stepD's myspace laughing at the name (stepD deleted the comments eventually, I'm sure OW's feelings were hurt).

Yuck.


BS- me.
FWS- him.
DDay 6/07 (immediately separated)
RDay 8/07
Surprise OC born 3/08 (NC)
6 years into successful R.
"That which can be destroyed by truth should be." -P. C. Hodgell

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IslandWahine
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Default  Posted: 11:40 PM, September 24th (Friday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

We need to do more research, but the name of this OC (male) has the same name of what we think is a child that passed away (her child). We aren't 100% sure....but found out she had a son with the same name previously (and our initial "investigation") turned up that the child passed from lead poisoning. The more we learn about OW the more I want to smack fws for not vetting her enough, if that sounds like it makes sense...then again its a little relieving almost to know she really meant nothing to him other than a piece of rock bottom trash. It would make total sense that she was trying to get pg on purpose from whatever sperm she could get her hands on....


Me: BS, 2 COM, M-14 years
FWH-finally hit rock bottom
11/09 D-day. R'ing
cOW: EVIL
OC: NC for our safety.
People say you donít know what youíve got until itís gone. Truth is, you knew what you had, you just thought youíd never lose it.-B.Scott

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repeatBS326
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Default  Posted: 12:40 PM, September 27th (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I'm not sure if OW/fWH brainstormed OC's first name. fWH & a previous gf had a child (turned out not to be his though) and the middle name is old-timey. OW asked fWH what that baby girl's name was. OW gave OC the same middle name. Her mom tells her that her daddy picked her middle name, but he really had nothing to do w/it. OW asked if he wanted to change it when they were getting her last name changed on BC to add fWH as the father & give OC his last name, but fWH didn't. I had thought I should pick OC's middle name....that way I'd have a name exclusivly for our family to use for her. fWH didn't take my suggestion, but I'd have wished her middle name to be Melody. It might've been nice for OC to have MIL's birthname (which MIL's mother changed when a stepfather came along and he picked her a completely new name when he made her his child).

I do hate when I see poor children named Cherry, Notorious (yes, OC's teammate had this name), or Titan (for the TN titans).


Me/BS:39(former cybersex addict 1992); fWH:41; DS:15; DS:11; OW:34; OC:10
Together: 22yrs; Married: 18yrs
D-day#1: Jan99, then FALSE R (subsequent conception of DS#2)
D-day#2: Told about OW/WH pregnancy July2000
D-day#3 (same mOW): 19sep2008

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IslandWahine
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Default  Posted: 3:07 PM, September 27th (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

So how in the hell do I deal with the recurring triggers of the mail? My fws got a letter from child support enforcement...1st of many I'm sure...and looking at his name on the envelope just makes it so much more raw and real. I thought I was dealing with this ok but just seeing that (its most likely the date and time for the paternity test, which we were waiting for/expecting) made me break down into tears. Its like its all a smack in the face all over again. And I don't know why...I committed to working on this marriage and have thought of ways for us to deal with it together, yet I feel like when I feel this way maybe I'm not so sure? I have doubt? I'm not ready or even want to deal with this?


Me: BS, 2 COM, M-14 years
FWH-finally hit rock bottom
11/09 D-day. R'ing
cOW: EVIL
OC: NC for our safety.
People say you donít know what youíve got until itís gone. Truth is, you knew what you had, you just thought youíd never lose it.-B.Scott

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want2bok
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Default  Posted: 3:16 PM, September 27th (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

IW: The triggers are hard, but once you get CS established, you won't continue getting mail from them very often. Once it was all said and done I think H has only gotten 1 more thing which 18 mo agao was OW trying to get CS raised but there wasn't cause to.

H called to talk to OC the other night and spoke to OW for a minute (can't get much out of a 3yo). We knew that she had filed to have CS recalc'd because her daycare situation changed. Because of H's new job, his support amount dropped. LOL! Only like $10 a month, but I thought it was funny that she thought she'd be getting more only to have it backfire on her.


BS - me 32
WS - him 32
3 beautiful girls - 11, 9, 7 and angel baby 7/9/10
D-Day 1/07 - 1+ yr PA
OW 35
OC born 12/06
R since 2/07 and going well

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BMC0415
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Default  Posted: 3:19 PM, September 27th (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

((Island)), you have to take it one day at a time. You are going to get triggers. Imagine me, being called by the OW last name all the time by people (school, doctors, etc) who think I am the OC's mother. It use to make my stomach turn. And the time when CPS wrote a check for OC beds and it was addressed to my H and OW, that was a kick in the teeth most definately. Oh and how they wanted us to find OW so she could sign it! Hell no, I made the social worker sign it and give it to the furniture store.

Look at this paper as the beginning of knowing what you are dealing with. Right now you are in limbo not having definite proof that OC is your H's. I had to treat it as a business deal in order to keep my emotions in check or I would have been a nervous wreck all the time. Try your best to separate the emotions and treat it as something you and your H have to get thru against OW.

I don't know if that will work for you, but it kept me sane thru this trauma.

As for the names of OC, I find it ironic that my H was present for doctor visits, and sonograms, and eventually named the twins and turned out not to be their father. I think it hurt him more when he found out.

[This message edited by BMC0415 at 3:21 PM, September 27th (Monday)]


Me: 40+ Him: 40+
Married: 20+ years
D-Day: 3/7/07
Children: 24dd,23ds,21dd
10 yr. LTA 3OC w/OW 10,10,14 8/14/12-gave custody of twins to ex 8/16/12-DIVORCED!

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Want2help
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Default  Posted: 4:21 PM, September 27th (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I still trigger when I see my H's name next to OW's on CS papers, I hate that they are linked for life officially that way.

FWH had me proof read his CS paperwork before he sent it in (when CS was getting revised, and on it it asked him to list his dependents and his relation to them. Next to our DD he had written "Dad" and next to OC's name he wrote "Biological Father". It was kind of juvenile, but I got an evil satisfaction knowing it would hurt her, after the year she spent rubbing her pregnancy in my face (phone calls repeatedly asking me "Are you jealous??", emails telling me she hopes her pregnancy "eats me up inside" and telling me how much she "loves [FWH]'s sperm"). I feel bad for OC, and hope she never sees it, but I hope OW got a little taste of her own medicine there.


BS- me.
FWS- him.
DDay 6/07 (immediately separated)
RDay 8/07
Surprise OC born 3/08 (NC)
6 years into successful R.
"That which can be destroyed by truth should be." -P. C. Hodgell

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IslandWahine
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Default  Posted: 5:43 PM, September 27th (Monday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

AUGH....our state sucks...it was just a "receipt" of getting the paperwork and we are still waiting for a damn date for this paternity test! I mean, don't get me wrong I know she's pissed this process is taking so long, but I was really hoping we would know before this baby comes so I can have it all behind me and have nothing to spoil my "moment". So we are both pissed the state wasted 2 pieces of paper and a freaking stamp. And for me to get worked up, and for us to STILL have to wait for the test date in the mail (and I'm usually the one to check the mail when I get home from work). We talked tonite about these triggers, and it was a good thing because they are actually triggers for him too--and he knows how upset it makes me. I told him these things make me question R only because I'm not sure if I can deal with it...but I agreed to try and talk with my IC about it on Wednesday.

You are SO right to just see this as a "business transaction". I had up to now; I guess seeing the paperwork, paying the lawyer, etc. is just making it more real vs. just business. Seeing the kid's name (she picked a pretty popular/common name), her name also hurts as well--knowing it's something I'm going to see and deal with.

Thanks ladies...I'm also stressed with work and trying to get my house cleaned/squared away plus have been extra tired...this just sent me over the edge. You don't how much I wake up everyday and hope that this is not my fws's child...oh and I DARE her to say something smart to me (she has avoided me like the plague although she threatened for months to talk to me)...I'll have her in tears with the quickness


Me: BS, 2 COM, M-14 years
FWH-finally hit rock bottom
11/09 D-day. R'ing
cOW: EVIL
OC: NC for our safety.
People say you donít know what youíve got until itís gone. Truth is, you knew what you had, you just thought youíd never lose it.-B.Scott

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repeatBS326
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Default  Posted: 8:21 AM, September 28th (Tuesday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I suppose fWH's paternity test was much quicker because he went to a hospital that CS services recommended and paid cash for it. He went about 1 week after OC's birth & OW went w/in a day or so. I think she was offended that he insisted on the testing (even though he was lying to me about the circumstances of the conception). I think she basically told him OC is yours, but he still called & set up the DNA before he got his name added to the BC. If OW had called when OC was in hospital, I'm not sure if he'd have signed the BC/social security documents or not. It was just a matter of taking the DNA test over to the some dept in town and having fWH sign an agreement that OC was his child & changing her name (with copy of DNA attached) once it came back. It was free to change OC's name & add fWH to BC, as it was done w/in a 6month timeframe of birth (there might've been a 12mon timeframe w/out cost, cannot remember). I almost wish fWH wouldn't have given OC his last name, but that's his choice (OC would've carried OW's xBH#1's last name forever otherwise, since OW hadn't resumed her maiden name after D from xBH#1).

I think it odd that OW never took the revised BC to soc. sec. and had fWH linked to her, as we had to take over a copy of BC when fWH was getting SS disability because I suppose OW changed OC's name w/soc security, but somehow never declared a father or someone forgot to change her info. They didn't even have a new copy of the BC on file.

Almost 5-10 girls daily were named w/same name as OC (many-many different spellings). I was a nervous wreck when I was looking daily at our NetNursery trying to find OC's pics. There were so many w/same name born each day it was crazy. She had 2 others in her class last year & one other this year. Teachers call them Suzie J. and Suzie H. depending on last names (these aren't the real names). I doubt she'd ever choose to go by her middle name though...it's not very pretty. I'll never know why fWH's xGF & OW both wanted it as their daughter's middle names.


Me/BS:39(former cybersex addict 1992); fWH:41; DS:15; DS:11; OW:34; OC:10
Together: 22yrs; Married: 18yrs
D-day#1: Jan99, then FALSE R (subsequent conception of DS#2)
D-day#2: Told about OW/WH pregnancy July2000
D-day#3 (same mOW): 19sep2008

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Default  Posted: 1:06 PM, September 28th (Tuesday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

So I had the not so lovely chance to talk to OW yesterday when she used another phone to call my H. He gave the phone to me and she proceed to ask what our intentions are towards the OC. He had told her previously that we are going for the DNA test then go to court for visitation rights etc. She knows this but with the due date getting closer (middle of Nov) she is kinda losing it.

So during the ten minute convo, I told her several times that yes we are following through with this etc. After we hung up, she sent me four text messages on my phone bringing up personal stuff that I wish she hadn't known about me but obviously H had said to her at some point and told me I wouldn't be in the court room, that I am controlling his every move so I might as well be in his body and so on.

So my question is, for the people who have been through court for visitation and all that already, will the judge just let him and her in the court room for the proceedings? it is fine if that is the case but I do want to be in there, if possible. I also don't think she realizes that if I can't be in there, neither can the family that she keeps claiming is going to take care of her and the OC so she doesn't need him or me in the OC's life.

I am not letting any of this get to me, I just want to know what to expect.

She even said that she would have a paper drawn up saying that he doesn't have to be in it's life or pay child support to keep us from being part of the OC's life. I responded that it wouldn't matter if he signed away all his rights, he would still have to pay CS and she said she doesn't want that. yeah right. Then she said that blood doesn't matter in the courts, just who is taking care of her.

She really is going a little wacko at this point over all of this. It will be interesting to see what happens when she receives the official court order for the dna test after we see our attorney again in Oct.


Me: selfish witch who didn't want three people in our marriage
Him: FT who thought he could have both of us and the OC too

Divorced..drama free...movin on!


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Whalers11
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Default  Posted: 1:53 PM, September 28th (Tuesday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

So I've just spent the better part of an hour in the bathroom at work sobbing.

WxBF has declared that OC is more important to him than me or our relationship.


Me: BGF - 33
Together 11+ years - not married, no children.
D-Day: 2/9/2010
OC Born: 10/9/2010
Status: He chose OW/OC and left immediately.

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eyesnowopen
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Default  Posted: 2:43 PM, September 28th (Tuesday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

(((((((((Whalers)))))))))) I'm so sorry!!!!


Me: selfish witch who didn't want three people in our marriage
Him: FT who thought he could have both of us and the OC too

Divorced..drama free...movin on!


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Finesse026
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Default  Posted: 3:31 PM, September 28th (Tuesday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Whalers, I am so sorry. Pm anytime.

Eyes, where I am, the OW cannot keep you from the court, oc, etc as you are the wife! Ow is just trying to rial you up. I'm so sorry.


I'm having a tough time as well. I should take the time to write about it, but I just don't have it in me. And it all may change tomorrow anyway.

My thoughts go out to all.


Together: 8.5 years
Married: 5 years
BW: 32
WH: 34
Angel baby: Nov. 09
OC born June '10

filed for D Oct. 15, served Dec 18
D final June 21, 2011


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IslandWahine
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Default  Posted: 5:36 PM, September 28th (Tuesday), 2010View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

(((Whalers))) and (((finesse))). I'm so sorry you're going thru this rough time.

Eyes--I have every intention of being in the court room because she needs to see we are a unified front, and I almost crave the attention and I honestly dare her to say something. I really don't hold much stake in anything so I can allow for a minor tongue lashing we will see though because it all depends on how I recover from my surgery.

I really hope everyones week gets better...much aloha to everyonen


Me: BS, 2 COM, M-14 years
FWH-finally hit rock bottom
11/09 D-day. R'ing
cOW: EVIL
OC: NC for our safety.
People say you donít know what youíve got until itís gone. Truth is, you knew what you had, you just thought youíd never lose it.-B.Scott

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