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trynhard
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Default  Posted: 6:34 AM, October 21st (Wednesday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

The hard part... How do you tell your spouse they are controlling?

I did this and she got very angry at me... but I didn't care if she did or not. I told her I still wanted her but she needs to see this too.. that made her even more angry! Since for years she always accused me of being controlling... but I just say the truth and what is on my mind, what I want... sometimes I get it... other times not... That is not controlling!

I know now It's hard for selfish people to look at themselves... It has come from the way they were raised. I think selfishness, controlling behavior, ethics... all play a part in a cheater. In my case, All my wife's brothers cheated on there wives. My brother, sister and myself were all cheated on??? hummm... Damnit.. does any M go all the way without a cheater???

My new boundaries will be... I'm not going to be controlled nor will do any controlling behaviors toward my wife.

[This message edited by trynhard at 6:53 AM, October 21st (Wednesday)]


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iwantamiracle
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tryn: everything in your second to last post about the verbal abuser is on the money, i lived it, by no stretch of the imagination did he control me sexually....

there are alot of women who are emotinally abused and verbally abused who have affairs because their needs are not being met...the affair do not happen out of controls but because they really cannot control....they cannot control themselves as well as thir so's....or the world for that matter...my ws would blame anyone and anything he could except for his foo...because they "were perfect".....

My new boundaries will be... I'm not going to be controlled nor will do any controlling behaviors toward my wife.

bravo, this goes along with that serentiy prayer....so many of us try to control our so's...thinking we have all the answers for them as well as for ourselves, but god has given us free will, and it is with that free will that people ultimately cannot be controlled....with exception to the extreme cases of abuse....because as i am learning their exceptions to almost every rule....lol

everyday i am shown how foo issues are this huge deal in someones life...and here i am the mother of 3 teenagers and i question everyday whether or not i am doing right by by kids, and then there are the days which i seemingly have more often then not that i wonder what harm am i doing to my kids especially my son today.....pfm has already done so much damage, am i making that worse, am i really helping, am i really doind as much "damage control" as i could be ....there is that lovely word again tryn...."control"...where does one draw the line with their kids....

today is my sons birthday, he is 16 years old and he is in so much trouble with school and emotionally.....not the way i want his birthday to be, so for today i will put aside all of these things to make his day special because he is special and he deserves to be happy on his birthday....that much as a mom i think i can do,,,,,its tomorrow that has me worried....

as always
(((tribe)))


btw...lovin this debate of sorts, keeps the mind active and shows me more perspectives...i never stop learning...i just hope i am not triggereing you tryn...


i am taking my life back, one step at a time!!!!!

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trynhard
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Default  Posted: 10:04 AM, October 21st (Wednesday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

iwantamiracle... Not triggering me at all. Yes, I think about the infidelity everyday, but Today, it seems I am over the emotional state of crying, hurting in a physical way. I know I was controlled and abused. It's just a fact that happened in my life and I didn't even know it! but I see now this is all part of controlling. So unless you understand what controlling is, you won’t even know you are doing it or it is being done to you. You need to know what it is, so you can stop it.

I was watching The Big Bang Theory last week. Sheldon was feeding Penny chocolate every time she did something he liked… So she would continue to do it… Penny’s boyfriend Leonard could see what Sheldon was doing, “treating her like his rats in an experiment”… yep, that is controlling without her even knowing it…. Just like your spouse having an A without you knowing about it. They are forcing, controlling you NOT to be “a cake eater” while being “a cake eater” themselves… the secret of not following the rules is why it is controlling... and maybe not for you Iwant.. but for me, had she said she wanted to have sex with her boss and not me... damn straight I would want to have sex with another woman... she controlled me.

So sorry you are having trouble with the kids. In some respect, you cannot control what your kids do either. You can only discuss or teach “right” and “wrong” and the consequence. A 16 year old will think they know it all and at that point they are making his/her own decisions. I am very lucky to have a very close son at Purdue, and a daughter making good grades, never in trouble, and good kids. They have heard years and years of stories from me telling them about friends I knew that died doing drugs, drinking, stupid things I did… the consequences of there actions. I do control them with money. I often wonder what they have thought about me giving there mother a second chance. My son said he was glad I did. My daughter is just a worrier and has picked ups some of my wife’s methods of dealing with stuff. Silence!

My mother-in-law was crying to me asking me what she did wrong with her all children… they all cheated. I told her that they learned to “Refusing to talk” as a method of dealing with issues. My mother-in-law did this to her kids and my father-in-law. Now I see that on the list of “controlling behaviors in a relationship”. That is how she controlled the situation. I didn’t mention to her they were all coddled too… they were used to getting what they wanted… and not really appreciating what they had….. me I worked my ass off and got my ass kicked if I f’d up. I knew boundaries… they did not.

Oh well off to lunch with my wife!

[This message edited by trynhard at 10:16 AM, October 21st (Wednesday)]


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trynhard
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Default  Posted: 4:55 PM, October 21st (Wednesday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Is this controlling or bitching?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3sX30NubTs&feature=related


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Default  Posted: 10:46 PM, October 21st (Wednesday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Need to read the controlling parts again...haven't been in here for a couple of weeks posting mostly hanging out in R wish me luck tomorrow is the day for my questions about the affair at the counselors...hopefully my husband will be able to come he is working tonight so it shouldn't be a problem...at least we won't be debriefing a huge argument like the last time so I didn't get my questions answered. Mostly been a good 4 weeks since the last session. I'm trying to work on myself will be doing a yoga class soon and trying to take pride in my appearance etc...
I am trying to get him to read Not Just Friends it bothers me that he hasn't attempted too. At least he is going to counseling though...any last minute questions to throw out at me to ask?


DD June 2nd 2009
Me BW 38
Him WS 40
No reconciliation was all false 2.5 LTA now a couple of months affair...

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ejs5
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Default  Posted: 10:46 PM, October 21st (Wednesday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Double post sorry

[This message edited by ejs5 at 12:35 AM, October 22nd (Thursday)]


DD June 2nd 2009
Me BW 38
Him WS 40
No reconciliation was all false 2.5 LTA now a couple of months affair...

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iwantamiracle
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Default  Posted: 10:56 PM, October 21st (Wednesday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

tryn that video is priceless.... you should post this in f & g...too funny not to share...

ejs5: good luck to ya sweety...sending you some si mojo...

my son enjoyed his birthday today, his only complaint was that he had to get up early and do school....

i had a very interesting chat with my daughter...it kills me to defend him...i do not want to defend the indefensible...but i love my daughter and she has alot to process.....so we had another one of our chats....she still has a great deal of anger, doesn;t seem to waver in the depth of that anger....time....a 4 letter word i've come to hate....i know i will eventually love that word again...when...who knows...


as always
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i am taking my life back, one step at a time!!!!!

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ejs5
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Default  Posted: 12:39 AM, October 22nd (Thursday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

That was definitely a funny video usually I can't watch anything about affairs but I was laughing...which felt good. I guess I don't laugh enough too bad my husband was at work and couldn't see me laughing and I could show him the video:)


DD June 2nd 2009
Me BW 38
Him WS 40
No reconciliation was all false 2.5 LTA now a couple of months affair...

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trynhard
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Default  Posted: 7:45 AM, October 22nd (Thursday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

ejs5... I can promise you it does get better with time and positive attitude. Good luck today with MC. I hope you can get what you need to be happy.

Good for you on yoga... walking is great too.

BTW.. I did the big yellow cat thing... lol...


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ejs5
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Default  Posted: 8:28 AM, October 22nd (Thursday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Trynhard...you made the video or that was how you reacted...
Anyways always nervous about counseling even though it has always been good it is hard work.


DD June 2nd 2009
Me BW 38
Him WS 40
No reconciliation was all false 2.5 LTA now a couple of months affair...

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trynhard
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Default  Posted: 10:42 AM, October 22nd (Thursday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

E.. I didn't make the video but I was that yellow cat and my wife was that black cat!

I can remember all I said...

- You whore
- So now I know why he paid you so much, you were a paid whore!
- Are you blind?
- you are so stupid, how great would it be for a man to f his wife and f you too... while at work. I would have loved to do that!
- Something is wrong with you.
- You are going to hell, you broke a vow to God.
- do you realize the people you hurt, his wife is devastated!
- how dare you effect my future together with our grandchildren.. now we are going to split that time you f'n bitch.
- I hate you
- I never want to see you again.. get out!
- I could have picked someone else to married and should have. How could I be so stupid as to marry someone like you.
- you are cruel, why to you hate me to do that?
- I punched a hole in the wall
- I took everything in the kitchen and threw it on the floor.. broke stuff
- I grabbed my wifes arm a and shoved her to the ground
- I grabbed my 38, loaded it with hollow point bullets, got in the car to drive to her office to kill that man.
- took every picture we had of the OM a tore them up into pieces
- I took every picture of my wife and I down and put them in a box in the basement.

oh how ugly it was...

It is really amazing today if I think about it. I understand why people get D. I am 100% sure once you decide to move on... you will become in love with someone else and not think about what happened too often.

I think it takes special people to R... a special person that knows how to forgive... with a spouse that if truly sorry and want to stay with you... and accept that you can think about the A without hurt.

I know my wife and I are reconnecting... She has started to initiate intimacy and sex with me… we have never had that in our M. We are starting to have fun again. I changed too ya know. Not to say I still don’t think about things… Why do I have a “stronger than ever” desire to have sex outside my M? Maybe even a relationship? I find myself flirting and smiling at ladies, maybe wanting someone to tell me lets meet...Vulnerable right now... She still has not given me a “solid” commitment to spend renew her commitment to God and me... I pray all the time for strenght to do all the right things in life.

Anyway, I hope all that are trying to R can find some peace.

[This message edited by trynhard at 10:50 AM, October 22nd (Thursday)]


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tryn: please be careful, you are in areally slippery place...you are very vulnerable to your own affair....and if true reconcilliation is what you're after you will only put some kinks into it....i would think recocilliation is hard enough without adding more issues to work out...

there is a part of me that is torn though...i do believe that when you have been cheated on you are granted a free pass so to speak...but taking that free pass will only hurt you....never mind your spouse but you....

now if reconcilliation is not is the picture...more power to ya....i am not like alot of others here, i do not believe that you have to wait til you're divorced...there really is no reason to, if the ws broke the contract thats it to me the contract is borken and either a new one in negotionated or its left as is til it can be made official....does not mean you should stop your life, it does not give you any better seats in heaven....kwim...

i know i am certainly open to a new relationship,,,,there really is nothing like a new one to help you get over the old one...i think thats why so many ws's are "in love"...you get so wrapped up in the new the old goes away....

just my 2 cents again...


as always
(((tribe)))


i am taking my life back, one step at a time!!!!!

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leapyearbaby
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Wow...Tryn and IWAM, that is a really good conversation...must go back and read it again...first read got my eyes crossed....

But that is also a subject that exists in my relationship...from the outside everyone thinks I'm in charge because I'm the manager...financial, social, whatever. But in reality, he is the controlling one.

BTW, I think I'm off the rollercoaster...but now involved in ping-pong...first on this side of the net, then the other. Last I wrote I had given H draft of divorce papers...going to do it ourselves, much of our stuff is already divided, just due to circumstances not related to relationship.
Don't know if that kicked him in the ass or what, but we ended up spending our anniversary and the following weekend in Taos, a place that has always been a special place for us. The trip has been planned during a good period 2 months ago, but as it got closer, I was less and less sure there was any reason to go. So I canceled the reservation and then the morning of our anniversary, we reconnected and decided to give it one last shot.

We listened to the 5 languages of love on the way down...wow...now I am not sure how we managed to get 26 years in. Clearly we don't speak the same language at all...but listening seemed to make a really big difference. 5 hour drive to Taos and we only got through the first cd and part of the 2nd because we kept having to stop it and ask questions of each other.
We had previously agreed to do some work out of the book "getting past the affair", so we stuck to that and got through the first 3 chapters. Some of it we had already processed since the early chapters are aimed at jfo and we are 16 months past, but it was still good to read and work with. We agreed to continue that work with the goal of completing all 15 chapters by Thanksgiving.

So...whack!!! I'm back on the reconcile side of the net again...but...this time does feel different. I have been feeling really weepy and wimpy, indecisive...why can't I just cut that last slender thread? Afraid to post or talk to support friends because one day I'm done, next day, well, maybe not. I'm back on the maybe not side again, but....I still those draft papers at hand!!!

Tryn...you said something early on in one of the early posts that I read, that trying to reconcile while separated is so much harder. That is so true...I moved out 2 months after D-day. Felt I had no choice, he was NC, but still in the "Well, I'm sorry you are in pain" phase, clearly taking no responsibility for causing that pain. It took him a long time to own his own stuff.

But with 20/20 vision, I now see where trying to reestablish a connection, an intimacy has been so much harder that if we were in the same house and were forced to confront those problems. I know why I had to go, but with the wisdom that comes with time, I wish I hadn't.


me BS the Big 6-0!!
him WS 56
married 28 years
together 31
DD 6/10/08
ow #1,2 lta on and off since 1995
ow 3 ons summer 2005
2 D, mine from prior marriage, but he raised them
R'ing...probably not....but then again, maybe....


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trynhard
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Default  Posted: 3:50 PM, October 22nd (Thursday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

iwantamiracle.. No doubt about it... a new love will make you forget about the old one.

As for how I feel about wanting to be with another woman... It might be curiosity, it might be insecurity, fear that she will leave me, so I strike first kind of thing, take the offense… me controlling now.. lol.. I’m not going to do anything I will regret later.

Leapyearbaby.. glad you guys are working on it. One thing I have always tried to tell myself… just take it one day at a time and try to see all positives. I think everyone needs to read the 5 languages of love.

You know? my wife will give me crap about.. you cannot believe everything you read in those books. That is true. We are all different. But that book is true.

Yep, every affair is controlling.. CONTROLLING BY DEFINING HIS or HER REALITY..

It is interesting that I now see what Retrouvaille teaches. Communicate ONLY your feelings. This way you cannot possibly control someone else. You tell your feelings, then it is the choice of your spouse to do the right… or wrong thing. And both have consequences.

Let me give you an example: I have expressed my feelings about my wife not initiating sex. I felt insecure, not wanted; undesirable, ugly, and I physically have shed tears over this. It might feel like when you were a kid and got “picked” last on a team. It might feel like when you study for a test and end up failing it. I compared the feeling she might have when people asked her, “what is wrong with your eye?” a grade school kid threw a pencil and damaged her iris and her pupil does not look “round” (that make her feel ugly) I rated my feelings a 10 of 10 in strength…..>>>>> and the consequences have been? She is now initiating.

[This message edited by trynhard at 3:51 PM, October 22nd (Thursday)]


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Thanks to everyone for their replies and questions. I was going to try and answer those questions but I want to say this instead.

trynhard.

Do not step over that line. Having a RA will really screw things up. I know you read a lot. Have you read anything that recomends a RA?

If you do end up getting a D, I think that any good lawyer would tell you that the less the other side can throw at you, the better off you are. Don't give them any ammo. Damn, it sounds like I am trying to control you doesn't it?

To address the debate concerning the control issue: all I can say is that you both made some valid points. I am sitting on the fence but leaning toward iwantamiracle's view point. It is all about perception and our own experiences, so nobody is really wrong.


Her WW 60
Me BH 60
M 36 yr
D-day#1 fall of 76 OM#1 2NS
D-day#2 summer of 89 OM#2 LTA 8 yrs OM#3 Short Term A


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trynhard
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Default  Posted: 3:58 PM, October 22nd (Thursday), 2009View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

LOL... thanks Dip...

I will D before I have an A. Just me thinking out aloud... telling something deep in thoughts.

I have read about RA. My friend says I will die feeling like shit if I do. I don't want that.

As for the controlling part... I have articles by the pro's to prove what I beleive. An Affair is controlling... lol...

We all control to some degree...


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My WH had a 10 year LTA...and last week while at the IC I was telling her that WH said he felt I didn't care about him, I didn't pay attention to him, I was too busy with work, kids, dogs, and he felt as though he didn't matter. OW made him feel good about himself, sexy, exciting, blah blah blah. While he was living his fantasy, I was living reality and didn't know he was feeling this way or that anything was drastically wrong.

BTW, it's almost 5 months since dday so it's still very raw.

What I thought was interesting was the IC said she thought WH has conflict avoidance issues and that he could have been acting out in ANGER!

Has anyone ever heard of this before? I keep thinking about what IC said. He is also a control freak.


BS (me) 56
WH 61
M 36 yrs
OW - 55 - Howdy Doody Look Alike
3 Awesome Adult C
DD 6/7/09
LTA 12 years.
Confused: D or R???

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My WH had a 10 year LTA...and last week while at the IC I was telling her that WH said he felt I didn't care about him, I didn't pay attention to him, I was too busy with work, kids, dogs, and he felt as though he didn't matter. OW made him feel good about himself, sexy, exciting, blah blah blah. While he was living his fantasy, I was living reality and didn't know he was feeling this way or that anything was drastically wrong.

BTW, it's almost 5 months since dday so it's still very raw.

hmm...I feel like I'm in your place same with me...I didn't understand what he needed didn't give what he needed so what did he get a great affair partner while I was alone at home with the kids etc...

I'm trying hard at R got to ask my questions today and it was very helpful but got some more truth so it is hard dealing with...he did meet her son and another family member, and he did have sex while I was pregnant now I am really worrying about my 3 year olds health especially since she already has hsv 1(cold sores) I'm just sick about that.

good parts were he still says it was really about the sex and he doesn't really think about her it is over etc, and he never said he loved her though she said it to him, and he never said he would leave me for her...he kind of hinted that perhaps that was what she wanted though it was never expressed...I'm raw inside want a hug from him but don't sad but feeling good...confused...uggh life is so hard:( Thanks for all your support.


DD June 2nd 2009
Me BW 38
Him WS 40
No reconciliation was all false 2.5 LTA now a couple of months affair...

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nofun... I am so sorry you are here... My wife had an 8 year affair so I think we can be considered the same…

Conflict avoidance issues and controlling... Yes, I'd say that is probably right…
If you have an affair, you have controlled your spouse thru what is called CONTROLLING BY DEFINING HIS or HER REALITY. These people are also Conflict avoiders too. These people are too afraid, because the “don’t want to hurt you” or have learned “protective lying”. Reality is that… this personality (and I think we all have it to certain degrees) is not healthy in relationships. Now you know this fact about your husband and don’t accept it.

So I have told my wife that I am attracted to a lady at my work. The one I have flirted with. The one I want to have sex with. I told my wife I will NOT do it… out of love for her in our relationship. I think my wife thinks I’m nutz… but it is how I feel... and I think it makes me aware of my feelings… aware and helps me make a choice… not to do it. Plus it puts her on notice to watch out! Make me fear she now knows and is watching.. does all that make since? I just realized with your post…. I am NOT a conflict avoider!!!

For you nofun, yes, 5 months is fresh. Heck 9 months was fresh for me. But I will tell you this… It will get better with help understanding what happened in your own mind. You will likely understand before your H. Selfish people have a hard time looking in the mirror. For me, I’m training my wife.. (LOL… controlling maybe??)You are going to have to take risk (honest, respectful, ways) to show him who he is… demonstrate what a good relationship is… You will grow to accept should you decide to stay. You must make that a choice and decision to love him. I have come to accept that my wife was/is not a good person. I was so proud of her... not any more. It may take years for her to earn it back. I feel good about myself now too… Better then before. I am only human too and could have had an affair too, given the right planets lining up… but I have made good choices in life because I think I was raised right by my parents. I tip my hat to them. I just made a bad choice with my wife. but you know what? I like being around her right now… She is very kind to me, fun, we have so much in common… our family and kids…

You can move on without your husband and I know you will find another good man… you will be happy again and there will be days you will forget about what has happened to you in your life, because of this new man… but that new man will have something not quite right too. There will something that pops up about him too… life will go on….. different issues, different problems… we all have them.

Peace to you Nofun… Post away.. it always helps me… even though I know I sound crazy some times..

[This message edited by trynhard at 6:40 AM, October 23rd (Friday)]


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leapyearbaby:

i think you are doing what is right for you....this is one of those things that if you didn't give it once last try youwould come to regret it later on...so bravo, its sometimes more difficult to face it and really try then it is to just give up....

although on the giving up side, that too is hard when one has invested so much, and the love is still there...better to give that last chance and hopefully know for sure...i say hoipefully because the back and forth stuff can go on forever without making progress...and it ends up just prolonging the inevitable....


(((((nofun)))):

What I thought was interesting was the IC said she thought WH has conflict avoidance issues and that he could have been acting out in ANGER!

absolutely....but i believe its an underlying anger...because anger really is a symptom of hurt...his feelings were hurt..

and you are absolutely raw...so allow yourself some leeway on pretty much everything...


((((ejs5)))) hugging you...

i am glad you got some more answers, yes its confusing and more then that it still hurts like hell....

as for your son with hsv1...i've had this since i was little, most people do...its quite common, more then you think....its also pretty easy to deal with....so rest assured that this will not scar him for life...more then half the people you kiss will have hsv1 and can transmit it so easily just by kissing you....its hsv2 thats a biggie.....

tryn: love that toon...dare i ask if the people depicted represent anyone in particular..lol

gotta go me litle charge will be here any minute..


as always
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i am taking my life back, one step at a time!!!!!

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