And I think honestly, it is because "HE" has sexual thoughts about 14 year olds when he sees their boobs hanging out a bit, and he knows it is wrong, and he doesn't like feeling that way.
Because none of the other men I was ever with made a big deal out of that stuff.
And I told him that I truly feel he has a problem, and an addiction, and I need him to go and just find out.
He said if I could just move down there and let it go and see how things go. I really don't know how to explain it in terms he understands. I think he just doesn't want to understand, because I have tried the best I know how. Anyway, he doesn't even want to hear my reasons "again" on why I feel he needs help. He was getting angry again, and told me he will be fine if we divorce, because now he has a 6 figure job and a condo on the beach.
Thanks a lot. Loser. For leaving me and the kids in poverty and a teeny tiny home that is falling apart, and cutting us off financially. I don't need a man that can make that okay in their sick head.
At least I won't have to deal with his mind games anymore. I have enough mind games going on with the other loser.
Ugh! Too Trusting - You aren't the only one that picked a few bad apples in a row! It is exhausting dealing with two of these at a time! And my XH is also the one giving me all kinds of problems about my dd--because he wants to take her away from me, and we go to court because he has cited me on "contempt" for "mental manipulation of dd" in a few weeks. He is mentally ill also, was diagnosed with sociopathic tendencies with another underlying mental illness.
I did tell SA STBXH I just can't understand that he would throw a whole family away just because I asked him to get counseling. And he said it is my fault, because I am so bull-headed, and obsessive, and just can't let it go, because I am wrong, and he isn't that bad.
I hate him.
[This message edited by NaiveAgain at 6:19 AM, April 29th (Wednesday)]
Funny thing, I feel stronger than I have in a long time, except for a few little breakdowns here or there.
I know I am doing the right thing, with sticking to the counseling for STBXH, but he does make me wonder sometimes, if I overexaggerated a bit, and if I am making too much out of this, because that is his total story, and I haven't caught him at anything in a while, and his mom wants me to move down first and see what happens, because she said I will have more pull with him when we are together.
However, he put his ACTUAL NAME on the internet in a few places, and also when he was IM'ing someone in a sex chatsite; and his phone number is out there too, and I was told once it is on the internet, if someone really wants to find it, they can.
He is telling me no way can he ever be connected with anything, but I think that is him living in his fantasy world again, and not wanting to deal with reality.
So unless he gets treatment and a professional says he is in recovery, no way am I moving; I can't expose my dd, and plus, her dad would use that to try to take her away from me.
Wow you have a lot to deal with. I'm so proud of you for sticking to your boundaries. I'm just sorry that he is leaving you and your children high and dry. Guess that speaks volumes about his character, huh?
I don't remember everything I've read. My head is in a fog.
I have a lot of decisions to make here. Our lease is up in Aug and I'm not sure that I want to renew it with him. I have no idea what I'll do for $ or anything. I have no ideas but I just can't pretend that everything is going to be fine.
I have a small sliver of hope that he has gotten a huge wake up call that I won't be here come Aug if he doesn't get help. He says that he doesn't want that to happen and seems to be doing what he needs to but so far it's still not enough.
But I just have to try to do what is best for me. I hope I make the right decision. I'm just so scared and worried but trying to just take one day at a time.
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I am sorry that you are dealing with XH about custody... I thought it was your STBXH also... Too many crazies for your life! Stay strong honey- You are doing so good.
EO- I love that quote from your mom! I am definitely going to use that one again!
Any luck on finding an IC for yourself? How about your H? I remember you were concerned b/c money was tight... Have you discussed any new boundaries about his sobriety? (porn and MB at work.. etc) Keep looking inside at what you want- and do what's best for your well being. If it means moving out because he's not sober- then make sure he realizes that it's his choice to continue to act out and you are just taking the necessary steps to take care of yourself.
I would rather be alone with my kids than waste any more time with someone who refused to see how big a problem it is.
Mom of three
DD: September 23, 2005
Divorced April 10/08
I think to a lot of outsiders sitting in arm chairs pontificating about other people, they assume leaving a husband who has been unfaithful or who is a SA, is a no-brainer. In fact, deciding to leave any relationship is gut wrenching and devastating. You have been very strong to heal yourself, to decide what is best for you and your family, to recognize that a SA who refuses to take steps to recover is a walking time bomb waiting for a relapse, and to assert yourself when you have been belittled and disrespected.
You have been very strong for yourself and your family. You are an incredible individual.
Wow, you really have a problem with minimizing, don't you.
This was what my H's CSAT told H half way through their first session.
This guy is going to be so worth every penny.
H is actually very impressed with the new guy. His old IC was a joke. Old IC claimed to be experienced with SA, he just didn't know how to do anything effective to help them, apparently. H is excited and focused and optimistic. The plus side of having to pay all this money for a CSAT is that H really wants to make sure he gets his money's worth. H says "the more work I can do on my own between sessions and with the group, the less this is going to cost me".
He is willing to pay, but actually forking over those bucks is yet another strong motivator to work the program hard.
I'm hopeful for the first time in months, and months, and months!
I will see a therapist next week although I thought money was a concern, I think the problem is that I didnít make it my priority as usual when it comes to take care of myself, I always think of myself last. My husband has been begging me to get the help that I need and he doesnít mind what it costs. Now thanks to all of you , I am convinced I need it to save my life.
You are on the right track. You recognize the need to take care of yourself and you are doing something about it within your budget. Many things have been shattered and taken away from you - don't let self-care be one of them. Keep us posted.
My husband's co-worker and friend on Facebook has put up a Profile Picture which is sexy picture of herself on a beach wearing a thong bikini. My husband commented on it more than a year ago (before D Day), "did you cut that picture out of the cosmo (magazine)?".
My husband was showing me something else on his Facebook and he accidentally clicked on the friend's page, revealing her picture with his comment.
I try to be rational. This is from a year ago. My husband, as far as I know, has not made any flirtatious comments to any woman since D Day. His comment was complimentary, but was not sexual or explicit. And as for the woman, she is single, has a goregeous body and long black hair falling to her waist. Though it's not my cup of tea, she has every right to put up a bikini-clad picture on Facebook. And she is not soliciting the affection of any one person.
But...I am suffering from unconsolable jealousy and poor self-esteem. I understand men do notice beautiful women; hey, I notice sexy men myself if I walk pass them. However, it makes me feel like chopped liver when my husband, instead of noticing her and moving on, commented on it.
I understand I cannot control other people in this world (like this woman) from flirting and from dressing provocatively. I also realize self-esteem comes from oneself and we cannot rely on validation from others.
However, I feel simply heart broken, sad, humiliated, miserable, alone and isolated, no matter how many prep talks and how many "rational self-talk" I engage in. The worse thing is, I want to be alone, away from my husband. I don't feel like his comfort, because I feel like he is the one who has caused this hurt and humiliation, and who has the "wandering eyes".
Does anyone feel this sometimes, that you know how you should feel (e.g. should feel good about oneself, cannot control other home-wreckers from wearing next to nothing, etc.), but you simply cannot "force" yourself to feel positively? What do you do?
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As far as my SAH, we talked last night and he said that he's scared. His addiction is all that he's known. It's like he wants it but doesn't want to do the work necessary. He said it was like a prisoner who has been set free from prison but the bars are familiar and freedom is scary. I guess that does make sense. Doesn't mean that I can live with this always hanging over our heads, though.
So he said that he would look into counseling. shrug. I know it's really hard to start all over. His IC has known him for almost 3 years. He just needs someone to help him break his cycle of bad thinking.
I am working on my boundaries for his acting out. I think that I'm ready to tell him what I need from him and the consequences.
He can't give me the one thing that I really need right now. Reassurance that things will be ok.
Can anyone give me some advice???
I have not been on line in a while- very long story- thanks to FWH.
We've been having a difficult time as of late. He sees a CSAT and the guy is absolutely great- on top of things, ya know???
BUT...and this is a big but, FWH has not been giving %100 working the program. He shows up for group, individual, etc...but outside of that he's got so much going on- primarily work- that he's stretched himself thin. I actually called and spoke with his CSAT a couple of weeks ago (because I was at the end of my rope and considering seperation) to ask exactly how FWH is doing. I was surprised to find out that there were a few items of 'interest' that FWH has not brought up in group that he should have. That phone call confirmed what I was feeling- FWH is out of touch with things. His CSAT assured me that he would bring the items up in group/IC and he did- last night. FWH and I are going to sit down tonight to discuss it.
I guess what I am worried about is- do addicts truly recover??? and if so, how long does it take for the eyes to open??? My patience are just worn so thin...
any advice is appreciated...
I thought I was a fool for no-one
Oh baby I'm a fool for you
You're the queen of the superficial
And how long before you tell the truth
My SAH and I chose a divorce mediator and are now clearly headed down that path. He doesn't want the divorce, so I'm definitely cast as the "bad guy" in this. I do feel bad - but the damage done to my family is so severe I just can't even conceive of reconciling. And I find myself unwilling to be a partner to him, even if he does want recovery. Every once in awhile, he will say things about how he's not sure he really wants to change and he sees the divorce with a bit of relief. Other times, it's alot about how heartbroken he is, how much he wants to make the marriage work and how sorry he is. What a roller-coaster.
Since finally starting the process, I'm suddenly feeling so much better. My panic attacks have stopped and I'm even starting to feel more like myself again, after months stuck in a horrible depressive state, crushed under a mountain of guilt. I feel like there is hope for me.
I read "Mending a Shattered Heart" and realize that there is much self-work to be done. I am so freakin codependent and can't believe it has taken me until now to realize.
I haven't been on here in quite a while it seems & just took forever to read everything & catch up. I can't remember exactly who is dealing with what so I'm just gonna send a big hug to all of you.
I've not been well physically & busy too with other problems as well so that's why I've been absent.
I have been going to S Anon & my So has been going to SA. He has 11 or 12 days I think but now we're not sure because we are not married & we have been sexual with each other. He is not masturbating or anything else.
SA says that sex is only ok if you are married. I don't want to recommend a different program, such as SAA or SLAA, though as they can be too lenient, that is you get to decide if it's ok to masturbate. To me that's like an alcoholic saying that they will only drink beer but not wine or liquor...it will trigger other behavior.
We are not in IC or MC as we are beyond broke. We are suffering a lot financially & that is placing huge stress on him which can make relapse very possible. His finances & mine are separate & his are worse than mine. He has an XW & children to support & he & XW are very unmanageable financially. Any normal person would wonder what I am doing with him & I am wondering the same but my group says don't leave him yet. At least he is in recovery.
He seems to have done a complete turn around. He is so worried about the fact that we had sex & that that is not OK in SA & that he doesn't want to lie to them. I am not suggesting he lie to them but I am amazed after all the lying he did to me.
On another note I had several dreams last night about him cheating. I have had prophetic dreams about his cheating before & vowed never to believe his denial when I told him of them. He denied anything happened & I can't see how anything did but it was the same last time. I guess if anything happened or is about to happen I will find out...or not. I'm not supposed to check up on him according to my S Anon group.
We're awaiting results for STD tests.
The reason I've been ill this past week is because I'm reacting to the Flagyl for bacterial vaginosis. They say it isn't an STD but the other time I had this in my life was after a condom slipped off with a guy I was dating who turned out to be dating someone else. They also say it's common with new or multiple partners. If it's not an STD then why would partners be an issue?
welcome to the newbies I'm sorry for your pain but this forum will help you.
Good luck with all the legal & health issues everyone is going through & the general SA stuff too.
Guess that speaks volumes about his character, huh?
I'm just so scared and worried but trying to just take one day at a time.
[This message edited by NaiveAgain at 5:24 PM, April 30th (Thursday)]
-Honestly, how many "normal" (and I use that word loosely -- I don't intend to demean anyone) people would rather lose their relationship than seek counseling about behavior that's hurting the person we claim to love
That is the hard part to get over--he isn't normal. Because normal people would do whatever it takes to avoid hurting their loved ones.
JustWow & innerstrength & Birdwatch & SorrowHeart- thanks for the support and encouragement!