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User Topic: Long Term Affairs -IX
Lost Heart
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Default  Posted: 10:18 AM, February 15th (Friday), 2008View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Hi MIG!
Whew!
Where do we start?

First off, I am just so glad for you that it wasnt our worst thoughts. That man needs a twack on his head for leaving everyone hanging like that!Please do us all a favour and pass that along.Ta.

Now his story so far.
The first thing that is screaming at me is this:

I think that his real fear, the real reason telling me the truth was so hard is that he's terrified to admit not only to me but to himself most of all that he thought he loved her. And yet a part of him knows that to tell me how he behaved , how he thought, things he said will "show " me just that and then he'll have to admit it to himself.

I dont think so Mig.
I think that it would be the opposite. It may have started off him thinking that it was love, but what I think he is afraid to admit, that it wasnt. That he knowingly used her with no love.That would make him feel like a right prat, and that, in his eyes, will be more soul destroying. It much more "noble" to behave believe it was lurve ( )and then later see it was not. But how much more despicable to know at the time, that it was just sex. That you were just another dick waitng in line.

Secondly, this ties in with the ending.I suspect she had 2 scenarios. Tell H about OM and push him to a decision. Or she had in fact moved on. Either way, she was covered. Bitch.
This worked for your H too. It was easy for them both to just shut that door, because there wasnt any deep emotions involved. They BOTH knew that deep down. He prob went through some withdrawals, but for the most part, I am sure the relief must have been immense.
I suspect leading the dual life had become too much for him.

All the details to follow will be scalpel wounds Mig. Yes they will sting, but shouldnt change much of his story.

I see much of my H in your H.
Their deep need for female attention and approval. The degrading self destruction. The acting out in ways that were totally opposite to who they were IRL.

Your H has a long road to travel to find the man he wants to be. A man worthy of you. You yourself have a long way to go in healing and recovery as well.You are going to have to balance that out with the A-crap. For now, let him get the poison out. If it gets too much for you, take a break. It will all still be there.

Get him to write it out on a timeline. And because it was so long ago, it might take him awhile to remember. However I would push rather than be too sympathetic,as I was with H. Now he wont remember anything else.

Hold on tight mig. Its going to be a rough weekend, but at least the worst bits are out. Is it possible for the kids to be away this weekend?

(((MIG)))


Everyday is a winding road
I get a little bit closer
Everyday is a faded sign
I get a little bit closer to feeling fine

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mindisgone
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Default  Posted: 10:28 AM, February 15th (Friday), 2008View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I think that his real fear, the real reason telling me the truth was so hard is that he's terrified to admit not only to me but to himself most of all that he thought he loved her. And yet a part of him knows that to tell me how he behaved , how he thought, things he said will "show " me just that and then he'll have to admit it to himself.

Thank you LH, i was just about to post that having read that back to myself i wondered if anyone could get what i was trying to say, it sounds too Jerry Sringerish.
I get what you're saying but i still wonder because although he dropped little "truths" along the way that it was more than sex he kept insisting that thats all it was, seemed terrified that i would think he loved her. Any thoughts on that?
And thank you so much for reading all that and even more for your kind words.


too long a sacrifice can make a stone of the heart..

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mindisgone
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Default  Posted: 10:31 AM, February 15th (Friday), 2008View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Your H has a long road to travel to find the man he wants to be.

PS. LH, strange but these are his own exact words to me this morning!!


too long a sacrifice can make a stone of the heart..

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weepy
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Default  Posted: 10:36 AM, February 15th (Friday), 2008View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

mig, well, I made it through...

The hard truth of it is (as delivered by my IC) they did it. The details of who said what, who did what, when, where are only so we can actually make this real to us. It won't change that it happened. It sounds like he's making some real progress looking into himself and who he was at the time. Hnage onto that and to the fact that he's proving he's NOT that guy any more.

I'm afraid that i only feel somethings different because i'm tired and i want to believe him.

Of course you want to believe him... you love him and once you believe, once you accept and think you understand... then you can move forward and we all want that.

None of WANTS to stay mired in the pain of the past. But I know you're afraid if you grab onto these tiny threads of truth, that you're just fooling yourself.

You need to learn to trust yourself. Believe me, I think all our "guts" got a fine tuning after this. If it feels right, it may be. You'll know (like you said you doubt some of the things he's told you because they just don't make sense) when there is cause to worry.


Dday: 9/12/05
M: 29 yrs( me anyway )
BS(me): 55 And I'm ok with that
FWS: 57- Multiple PAs, LTA 7? yrs.

Try not. Do or do not, there is no try. -- Yoda


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weepy
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Default  Posted: 10:38 AM, February 15th (Friday), 2008View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

devastated07 just posted this in General:

Women are like apples on trees.The best ones are at the top of the tree.
Most men don't want to reach for the good ones because
they are afraid of falling and getting hurt. Instead, they just take the
rotten apples from the ground; they aren't as good, but they are easy to reach.......

The apples at the top think something is wrong with them, when in reality, they're truly amazing and wonderful. They just have to wait for the right man to come along, the one who's brave enough to climb all the way to the top of the tree.


She goes on to ask if we "top of the tree" apples have lowered ourselves to the ground in order to feel wanted by these lazy men.

I'm going to answer her there, but I thought the sentiment was important.


Dday: 9/12/05
M: 29 yrs( me anyway )
BS(me): 55 And I'm ok with that
FWS: 57- Multiple PAs, LTA 7? yrs.

Try not. Do or do not, there is no try. -- Yoda


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mindisgone
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Default  Posted: 10:54 AM, February 15th (Friday), 2008View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Thank you Weepy,
That all makes sense and i'm going to give that a lot of thought esp because your own sich and H remind me a lot of mine. My H also was very good at rewriting and during & after his affair he much preferred masturbation ( it appears it became compulsive also ) to sex with me only diff was like the affair i didn't know about that either.


too long a sacrifice can make a stone of the heart..

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hurtshirley
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Default  Posted: 11:21 AM, February 15th (Friday), 2008View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Oh MIG - you don't know how relieved I am for you. I know you were probably imagining much worse and knowing what my dday#2 was like I was imaging worse for you.

All I want say Lost Heart said (a big "what she said" to LH ). They tell themselves that they are not telling us because they don't want to lose us and they want to protect us. But the real reason that they don't tell us is that it requires facing who they were and what they did and that is not a pretty picture. They pursued these hos calling it luv but it was just cheap sex in a car and that, most certainly, is not luv. But, of course, they must think "well, if it wasn't love who was that scumbag in the car? It couldn't have been me?".

The key to all of this is that he recognizes that he must tell the truth and that he must heal whatever was broken in him. That broken piece that pursued the EA to falsely boost his self-esteem, that broken piece that allowed him to rewrite marital history into it being a "bad marriage", that broken piece that allowed him to stuff this away for years and years.

You sound better and stronger already. But as Lost H said, will you thump him up side of the head for leaving you (and us) hanging like that!


"Forgiveness is the grace by which you enable the other person to get up, and get up with dignity, to begin anew" Desmond Tutu

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hurtshirley
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Default  Posted: 11:26 AM, February 15th (Friday), 2008View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I need to share something that happened late last night (NOT TMI!!). My H and I have often discussed what we would do if we spend a year or two working on the M and I can't get back to a place of loving him again. I have told him that I am giving us and myself a year with no decision mostly based on the solid advice I have read here. In the past, he and I have agreed that if I can't find love for him again that we should split because a loveless marriage is not good for anyone.

Last night, I began that conversation again. We had discussed during MC that I don't feel the spark, the warm fuzzies, whatever you want to call it. I like having him around but, hell, I like having my dog around too. So I said to him, we are six months into this and this is how I feel now, how long do we wait, a year, two years, and what, if then, I don't feel love. You know what he said? I want to stay with you forever. I can't imagine not having you in my life. I will stay with you and love you even if you do not love me.

I started crying and am crying now as I type this. I wish he had been like this before for all those years when we were young. Why, Why, Why does it have to come to him now?


"Forgiveness is the grace by which you enable the other person to get up, and get up with dignity, to begin anew" Desmond Tutu

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heftysmurf
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Default  Posted: 11:41 AM, February 15th (Friday), 2008View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

((((hurtshirley))))

That touched me hard. He does love you and I know it has to hurt after the pain he inflicted to give it all back.

I appreciate some of the messages the last few days. Great insight and it has me thinking a lot.

I have a question for this Friday especially for the people farther out than I. How do you feel about the memmories from the time of the LTA? A hard one for sure. I am really wondering if the taint I have on many memmories will ever change or I will feel better about them.

[This message edited by heftysmurf at 12:11 PM, February 15th (Friday)]


BH-Me- 34 WW-Her- 29
D-Day- 11-04-07
M 6 years Together 12 years
2 YR DD WOW I love her!
LTA 6 YEARS - stolen time
Limbo. Praying for DD and our M.
In ridiculous pain. Amazed I can stand.

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weepy
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Default  Posted: 11:57 AM, February 15th (Friday), 2008View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

How do you feel about the memmories from the time of the LTA?

I try as hard as I can to avoid even thinking about those years. 1999 is the hardest. I lost my mother in March, our 20th anniversary -- the first time he ever sent me flowers at the office -- and he sent a second order, but swears he doesn't remember to who, the 1st family vacation we'd ever taken and he left midway to go home and get laid. My hospitalization in December -- 3 nights in the hospital and I'm sure he was with OW.

I just finished shredding all the info (checks, medical bills, etc) from that year and I cried all the way through it.

I've put away all the pictures from that time.

shirley, my H gave a similar answer when we talked at about a year out. Felt good for sure.


Dday: 9/12/05
M: 29 yrs( me anyway )
BS(me): 55 And I'm ok with that
FWS: 57- Multiple PAs, LTA 7? yrs.

Try not. Do or do not, there is no try. -- Yoda


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mindisgone
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Default  Posted: 12:08 PM, February 15th (Friday), 2008View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

Oh HS,
I'm crying with you because i too haven't felt that spark in over a year now and i somedays wonder if i have hung in here and pushed for the truth because i somehow think if i get it the spark will come back? I sense you're a strong independant woman , and that like me you not only love deeply you hurt even more deeply. It's a lonely place where that hurt is.((hugs))

"well, if it wasn't love who was that scumbag in the car? It couldn't have been me?".

The only reason i can't quite believe this is because although his first affair (10yrs prior) was about the same length, there was no doubt A it was anything but sex. She was someone he met in a bar as opposed to a co-worker, they weren't "friends" first. And he never once thought of leaving me. It's why i think he was afraid this time it was more and tried to deny it to himself even then. And of course the first whore only wanted free drinks
and was apparently too lazy to stroke his ego while this one wanted out of her marriage and needed someone to pay the rent , she apparently was very enthusiastic in her ego-stroking. And i know this is what he needed most of all. It was always obvious to me how easily he was talked into anything with some flattery or a compliment. Strangely enough though i was always aware of this i never used it.

I can best describe him this way, i once had an old cat which after cooing "pretty kitty" for a minute or 2 in a soft tone would have her purring loudly without even having to pet ( or stroke ) her at all.
hope you aren't crying still.


too long a sacrifice can make a stone of the heart..

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Lost Heart
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Default  Posted: 12:09 PM, February 15th (Friday), 2008View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

want to stay with you forever. I can't imagine not having you in my life. I will stay with you and love you even if you do not love me

That would make me choke up too. Dont you wish you could bottle up those moments and hold onto them when times are blue?
(((Shirley)))

When I posed that question to H when we were at your stage, he said we should D as he wouldnt want to be in a loveless M. (WTF was I in for 13 years?? )
Wonder what he will say now?

Unfort dont know the answers to your Why.

Hefty, What I hold onto is that no matter what/who H was during our M, I was true and real, our children are true and real.
Now I feel sad for him that he has lost so much. It doesnt hurt so badly now for me to look at the past.I remember who I was. Thats the key Hefty.
Remember who you were/are. Everything you did/felt/said was real and true...and NOTHING can take that away.
Its still early days for you. It was only in Dec (1 year after dday2) that I was able to even look at old home videos of our life before. Do you know that H left the room. He couldnt bear looking at himself, smiling at birthdays and holidays, knowing who he was then. He said it made him sick.
Your WW's time will come Hefty. She still needs to get through the fog.

***
Mig, he said that! Good for him then. Acknowledgment that he is has to grow up is the first step.

Mig, I dont want to scare you but since you have been down this road before, take care of yourself, ok? You will hit a down once the numbness and shock wears out.Dont beat yourself up when it does.

(((MIG)))


Everyday is a winding road
I get a little bit closer
Everyday is a faded sign
I get a little bit closer to feeling fine

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Steelergal
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Default  Posted: 1:13 PM, February 15th (Friday), 2008View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

UK, I understand how you feel. For me, I do believe, it is both withdrawal for punishment and protection.

Shirley, that made me tear up too. I understand how you feel as well. I do still love and care for him as the father of my children, and I do see the progress that he has made over the past 15 months. However, I do wonder whether I will be able to really love him like that again, or whether there has just been too much to get past now.

((mig)) It does sound like your H is making progress. Shame on him for making you wait.

hefty, those memories still sting. We went through a kitchen remodel right in the middle of the A, and I can't help but look at it now, and think why the F were we even doing that!?!


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Steelergal
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Default  Posted: 1:15 PM, February 15th (Friday), 2008View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

And I'm in the kitchen a lot.


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heftysmurf
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Default  Posted: 2:06 PM, February 15th (Friday), 2008View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I just need maybe calrification from WS. I spiked some from V-day as last year we spent a night at a romance hotel and I kept thinking all she did was think of OM and she states she did not. The birth of our daughter I try to think of cleanly. I just am so confused as to what was really good between us and what was she thinking at key points in the last 6 years like when we bought our house, went on vacations, etc.


BH-Me- 34 WW-Her- 29
D-Day- 11-04-07
M 6 years Together 12 years
2 YR DD WOW I love her!
LTA 6 YEARS - stolen time
Limbo. Praying for DD and our M.
In ridiculous pain. Amazed I can stand.

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weepy
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We went through a kitchen remodel right in the middle of the A, and I can't help but look at it now, and think why the F were we even doing that!?!

OMG Steeler, we BOUGHT a house that was a total remodel during the A. Took us a year of working on it to make it livable. We were at it day and night (well, except when I was working and he was screwing around).

It does boggle my mind that we were here building something brand new, something we'd waited years for. And he was (he says) wrapping up his LTA and weaning himself with pros.

BUT he swears he didn't F anyone once we moved in.


Dday: 9/12/05
M: 29 yrs( me anyway )
BS(me): 55 And I'm ok with that
FWS: 57- Multiple PAs, LTA 7? yrs.

Try not. Do or do not, there is no try. -- Yoda


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unicornsearcher
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Cool  Posted: 3:11 PM, February 15th (Friday), 2008View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I'm sorry I missed the V Day party.

I totally agree that Steering Clear is an AWESOME book & I highly recommend it. That along with Not Just Friends by Shirley Glass & the Love Languages / Apology Languages books are all ones to start & work with after DDay.

MIG, my WS dropped the "I'm ready to tell you the whole truth now which is very different from what you were told" recently too. I've PM'ed you.

My WS was diagnosed with dissasociative issues even before the last lustfest a yr ago Nov, seeded by his crappy childhood with an alcoholic dad. I had the crappy sober dad & abusive childhood, so I know how to use the disassociative techniques & have since the first DDay with WS. I don't consider it a healthy thing for me particularly to do, but then, after my suicide attempt I won't let myself get into too much of that mindset either, so splitting off is certainly a better short term solution I suppose. And that is also a major factor in why WS's constant lying / gaslighting all this time has so unsettling to me, that in order to deal with it long term, I would have to resort to that splitting off. Not a good thing for a long term survivor strategy at this late date in my life. I also resented him opening up that abusive childhood can of worms & having it spiral me downward into PTSD the way it has. Ugh, mega Ugh.

I knew I could not bear to speak to him yesterday, which as we are long distance was not that much of an issue, I just didn't answer the phone. He sent a V Day ecard that I haven't opened, I'm not sure I will at all. I would have read a letter, but really I can't bring myself to see what last minute ecard with some short note he decided to give me. Since I busted him 5 yrs ago, I've asked he write me a letter for any & all gift giving occasions which he has yet to do. He can chose to do that & I can chose not to read his ecards, they are not remotely a proper substitution to me.

I am glad he is finally being more truthful, less angry / defensive, answering questions altho my main one still remains why tell me now after 10 yrs of this nonsense? He keeps saying he finally won the battle to stop just trying to protect himself, saw how it was destroying me & that I would only have a chance to heal with the whole truth plus he also knew that finally fully fessing up was the only way he could ever be my friend again & have a chance of restoring our relationship.

Time will tell if he manages to keep making the right choices, he's the king of "I'm gonna..." with very little to no consistent follow thru-- only broken promises in his hurtful wake so far.


11/02 Busted WH 4+ cheating yrs, 11/06 Busted [Month Long Lustfest]. 2/1/08 admits false version of betrayals, so no full disclosure / "whole truth" yet. '09 Together, great work in progress. '12 Still gladly united.

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Lost Heart
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I also resented him opening up that abusive childhood can of worms & having it spiral me downward into PTSD the way it has

I believe I have been feeling that resentment too lately.
You know, I had lived to the ripe old age of 34 without opening up that can all the way. I did do some peeking in during LTA2, when H convinced me (and MC) that all our M issues, were just LH's FOO issues, so off I went to IC. Asshole gaslighter.

My IC now wants me to open that can and empty it all out. She seems to believe that only when I have dealt with all that, then I will be strong enough to deal with H and the M and the LTA stuff. Unfort, this other stuff (H and M) cant be put on hold in the interim. I am still being blamed, I am still being gaslighted, I am still being, for want of a better word (and IC's opinion), abused.
I am shit scared that if I lose what has held me together thusfar, that theres a chance I might just not make it out.

Unicorn, can I ask something, and you dont have to answer if you dont want to. Did you have any inkling that he was keeping this stuff away from you after dday#1, or are there signs that you can now see with 20/20?
Thank you.


Everyday is a winding road
I get a little bit closer
Everyday is a faded sign
I get a little bit closer to feeling fine

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OneToughCowgirl
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i don't know if that makes me want to puke or laugh, can anyone really be that stupid, that pathetic?
MIG - believe it! As I have said here before, I have done quite a bit of reading over at the whore site where they are all blabbering about these "love lifes" that are clearly pathetic and consist mostly of what your H has described. Blowjobs in cars! Or fifteen minute f-fests at her place when the WH doesn't even bother to take all his clothes off. Basically drive-by sex. It's disgusting but more so, pathetic. These women are human doormats, kidding themselves that there is substance in these affairs when there really is none. The men on the other hand play along with it but when reality strikes (aka Dday) they sober up in a hurry. I remember on Dday,after reading the letters I found from the diseased hole Waddleneck, I told my H he was going to have his hands full getting rid of this shit on his shoes because she was head over heels in love with him and truly believed she was going to get MY life and take my place. He got the sickest look on his face as if that was the first time he had to face that cold and ugly truth and it collided with the ugly part of himself that he didn't want to face - that she was basically just a hole to him with the side benefit of ego stroking. SURPRISE! I think he still struggles with this quite a bit and this is the ugly reality of who they are- they have the ability to use and exploit someone else's emotions like that. None of them want to swallow that pill but the reality of the sitch forces them to. They can't even admit it to us because they know how ugly this is. My personal feelings? - If he was going to do it to someone, it couldn't have happen to a better person! Bitch!

Hefty - My feelings are that I never want that whore or my H's assinine behavior to effect memories that are dear and important to me. They just can't have them! Period! I have memories with family and friends and trips and accomplishments that are the fabric of my life and who I am. I will NOT let any of this taint it. I did it for a while but I've reclaimed it. My fond memories are mine to manage. Not someone else's to ruin.

Shirley - Very touching what your H said. I know how you feel about all those wasted years. Why not before? I get it. There does come a time though - and Zanny and I were just talking about this today - that you have to get to a point where you begin living in the now and looking at what you have today, in this moment and being OK with it or not OK with it. I am getting very close to letting this go altogether and truly being able to live right in the moment of my life without dragging the past behind me like a ton of bricks or fearing the future ahead of me. I'm very clear about who I am now, more than ever, and know I am tougher than nails and still able to love. But I have changed forever because of this, and like Zanny said the other day, I'm pretty sure for the better. I am able to love in the moment without it being a sum total of all the good and bad. That's too much. It tired me out to no end. It takes time and a lot of work to get to this place and it takes an enormous trust in self - which most of us have had destroyed in this LTA bullshit. But the loss of the naivety is crushing at first, liberating in the end. It feels like an enormous loss, too much to take, when really it becomes your strong, pivitol point. Anyhow, I think we all need to re-evaluate our love once we find our way through the tunnel because it really is a recreation of the entire relationship and a whole new image of the person you've chosen to spend your life with. I had to look at WHY I was staying and look at who he was, aside from the LTA, and see enough to love and stay with. Anyhow, that's alll for my ramblings. Have a great weekend everyone!


M 20 years / together 25 yrs
6 yr LTA
Me 47
FWH 48
D-Day Jan. 2006
We're good and getting better every day!

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unicornsearcher
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Cool  Posted: 5:45 PM, February 15th (Friday), 2008View ProfileEdit MessagePrivate MessageHomepage

I HAD dealt with the childhood crap LONG before I even met WS. The family house war broke into the can of worms significantly because their nitemare started all over again. So in 2/02, family marches into ct & gets a verdict against me by lying thru their teeth then 11/02, DDay happened. On our first month DDay, I tried to go over a 13th floor balcony. I could have dealt much better with one or the other but both together did me in.

"Did you have any inkling that he was keeping this stuff away from you after dday#1, or are there signs that you can now see with 20/20?"

I have never been a "tiptoeing BS", much to his profound disappointment & told him all along I didn't believe his version (other than in looking back that's what he wished had happened if the cheating was inevitable & what he'd like me to believe). So far he has verified I was right about the substance even if the minor details / timing I got wrong. But who knows what the next installment will bring?

But no, I never believed his sanitized version & he knew it, our therapist knew it & I made it perfectly clear that reconciliation with a liar was impossible particularly because of certain factors in our case which may not be true for others.


11/02 Busted WH 4+ cheating yrs, 11/06 Busted [Month Long Lustfest]. 2/1/08 admits false version of betrayals, so no full disclosure / "whole truth" yet. '09 Together, great work in progress. '12 Still gladly united.

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